Cycle Pilot

Already done about nine months ago...

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My sign ups have dropped off dramatically and it's been very slow. Get the word out!

Sink r8

No, this is good. I'm only looking for a place where a lurker might find pro-con ideas on the survey itself, without tangential issues, personal fights, etc.

OK, so we agree. There is no direct way to state how much you want payrates to increase over the length of the contract, just the initial bump, combined with total compensation increase. Total compensation increase includes benefits, retirements, and workrule improvements, so the answer to #116 must be a lot greater than #24. And we probably have to bump up #24, to account for increases in years 2 and 3.

I'll probably move my answers closer to the numbers you suggest.

Sink r8

OK. I'm not sure 10% is really a huge deterrent, but the bottom line is that the survey doesn't any options on how we want a JV handled, just whether it's important to have agreements for future JV's, and how we rank JV's among 10 Scope items.

DAL 88 Driver

Good. Glad it helped.

I'd also point out that, because of inflation, a 51% increase over three years is not full restoration. Given the enormous sacrifice we've all made for the past 10 years (I estimate approx. $1 million for each of us that was here during the entire time period), I think what I am proposing is extremely reasonable. The company gets to keep the $1 million "contribution" I made to help them get through a very bad financial crisis... and now just make it right going forward. I'm guessing not many employees would be willing to write off $1 million to help their employer out, right?

Hey, I know the previous paragraph isn't exactly what you're looking for in terms of specific answers to specific questions on the survey... but I think it is a perspective that could be helpful to many as they answer those specific questions.

Hixdog

I would like to add that if the survey doesn't address an issue/idea you might have for a certain section, definitely use the comment area in that section. Under the R&I section, I added that I would like to see an allowance for supplemental health insurance for retirees age 65 and above.

Hillbilly

That's a good one. I was also thinking along the lines of a company provided Long Term Care policy. That could help mitigate some big healthcare expenses down the road in life if you needed it.

I also agree that the use of the text boxes are critical on this survey. I was told that every single comment on every section of the survey will be organized and presented to the MEC after the survey closes. Make the most of all 250 characters in each box. For me personally, I'm completing the survey and keeping it saved. I'll discuss it with those I fly with in search of additional ideas, modify my text boxes if necessary and submit it toward the end of the window.

thefoxsays

I learned in an earlier life, discussing contract "wants" on a public forum usually hurt contract negotiations. Just food for thought.

Firsttimeflyer

Please explain and how you saw public discussion really change the course of negotiations.

Flyinrob

Are there some good pros/cons for the #12 ranking?

hitimefurl

Does that not just mean that if the company wants to violate the CBA that they just pay us 10% and walk away? That's a cheap buy out when so many are convinced that Delta wants to outsource it's entire international operation vs the fact Delta says that international capacity is the problem.

You'd sell Section 1 for only 10%? Putting a price (and a low one at that) in the CBA is just a menu for the company to choose when and where to violate the contract because you gave them the cost up front.

If the company has a 5 billion dollar insurance policy, why only ask for 5 million? Unless it's because you already realize they'd never ever ever ever sign a contract that had a financial penalty that is punitive and that the NMB would never make them sign it.