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Old 10-26-2014, 01:05 PM
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All the while G4 management has been alluding in the ground schools that there is money on the table to be had, but darn if it weren’t for that pesky union. They will offer nothing and give nothing. That will be the only truth. Yet, they themselves work under multi-millions worth of contract protections. Yet, expect us to settle for crap.

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Old 10-26-2014, 01:31 PM
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That whole pay system pegged to profit margin was the stupidest thing I ever heard of.
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Old 10-26-2014, 01:39 PM
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That whole pay system pegged to profit margin was the stupidest thing I ever heard of.
It is and it will be rectified.
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It is and it will be rectified.
I hope so. You guys deserve better than that.

Although the silver lining for the rest of the profession is how miserable a failure the system has proven to be. God forbid it expand to any other pilot group.
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Old 10-26-2014, 03:17 PM
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I hope so. You guys deserve better than that.

Although the silver lining for the rest of the profession is how miserable a failure the system has proven to be. God forbid it expand to any other pilot group.
That's a valid point. Most of who are fighting also have their applications out to the legacy carriers. They will leave whether the new contract is good or not. They are fighting because it only hurts them down the road to have a cancer such as this knuckle-dragging, Lorenzo disciple management in existence.
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I've been hearing mixed things about whether or not guys are picking up mission mode. I really hope they're not, these staffing problems represent a massive amount of leverage that is in our favor right now.
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That's a valid point. Most of who are fighting also have their applications out to the legacy carriers. They will leave whether the new contract is good or not. They are fighting because it only hurts them down the road to have a cancer such as this knuckle-dragging, Lorenzo disciple management in existence.
In regards to pay by manipulated accounting practices, better to destroy G4 outright than have a management team successfully re-define pilot pay in this regard.
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Old 10-26-2014, 03:36 PM
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I've been hearing mixed things about whether or not guys are picking up mission mode. I really hope they're not, these staffing problems represent a massive amount of leverage that is in our favor right now.
Mission Mode = Bad.
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Old 10-26-2014, 03:47 PM
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I've been hearing mixed things about whether or not guys are picking up mission mode. I really hope they're not, these staffing problems represent a massive amount of leverage that is in our favor right now.
Other than the captains that seem to have no problem with this as they only have a few more years to fly, I have only run into a few people who do this on a semi-regular basis. That being said, I recently heard a point about it for the first time. When mission modes aren't being picked up, the company is paying someone else to do the flying, outside the company, costing our pilots money and not really effecting the company. For those that are in the know, where does this fall into the reasoning of "STFD"? I am not on the email list for this stuff as I was told early on why we don't want people picking it up and I haven't even been approached by anyone in the union for anything, ergo no union emails either.

Is this policy working? Pilot group unity is obviously of great importance...are we making the case, particularly given the rapid expansion of new-hires?
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Other than the captains that seem to have no problem with this as they only have a few more years to fly, I have only run into a few people who do this on a semi-regular basis. That being said, I recently heard a point about it for the first time. When mission modes aren't being picked up, the company is paying someone else to do the flying, outside the company, costing our pilots money and not really effecting the company. For those that are in the know, where does this fall into the reasoning of "STFD"? I am not on the email list for this stuff as I was told early on why we don't want people picking it up and I haven't even been approached by anyone in the union for anything, ergo no union emails either.

Is this policy working? Pilot group unity is obviously of great importance...are we making the case, particularly given the rapid expansion of new-hires?
Outsourcing our flying is costly and the company gives up a lot of operational control. Mishaps by a contractor, depending on how bad it is, will be a nightmare for G4 management. We’re not being paid to make their job easier. We definitely have our 5 to 10 percent who will disregard our efforts. Taking the money now in the form of MM is shortsighted. Let them contract. It will bite them eventually.

STFD is coming via a few avenues regardless of MM *****$.
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