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11-23-2014, 08:09 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
What are the republican's suggestions on what to do about immigration reform?
11-23-2014, 09:54 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yes, I do. These laws are in place to prevent the terrible harm experienced by the states from open borders. Texas is actually experiencing this harm as a result of this. They have verifiable financial expenses and harm, and as such, will absolutely be granted standing.
This is where the argument from the political left goes off the rails. This is NOT prosecutorial discretion. Prosecutorial discretion is a well defined and settled concept. It refers to an executive branch not having the unlimited finances or assets to prosecute every law breaker. To my knowledge, it has never been used by any executive to define it as their ability to not prosecute an entire class of law breakers, or confer benefits on law breakers that are not specifically contained in the law. Obama completely agreed with me on this as recently as last year. You can see the multiple YouTube videos for yourself.
This is an all new claim of the executive branch. The Supreme Court hearing this case is an absolute certainty. They may well take it directly on a separation of powers issue alone. How they'll decide is anyone's guess. Justice Roberts could claim (as he did with Obamacare) that it is not up to the courts to save the Americsn people from their votes in presidential elections.
Carl
This is where the argument from the political left goes off the rails. This is NOT prosecutorial discretion. Prosecutorial discretion is a well defined and settled concept. It refers to an executive branch not having the unlimited finances or assets to prosecute every law breaker. To my knowledge, it has never been used by any executive to define it as their ability to not prosecute an entire class of law breakers, or confer benefits on law breakers that are not specifically contained in the law. Obama completely agreed with me on this as recently as last year. You can see the multiple YouTube videos for yourself.
This is an all new claim of the executive branch. The Supreme Court hearing this case is an absolute certainty. They may well take it directly on a separation of powers issue alone. How they'll decide is anyone's guess. Justice Roberts could claim (as he did with Obamacare) that it is not up to the courts to save the Americsn people from their votes in presidential elections.
Carl
...what is it that you think President Obamas newly announced executive orders do?
Who is this "entire class" of lawbreakers that aren't being prosecuted that you refer to?
As in, are you suggesting that Obama just threw up his hands and said he was stopping deportations?
If not, what do you understand the orders to be?
11-23-2014, 10:39 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by slats fail
All about checks and balances, pretty sure the supreme court wil be VERY interested in this.
11-23-2014, 10:46 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You are the king of the half truth dude. Obama TRIPLED our annual budget deficit and now he (and you) are crowing about it dropping by 50%. A refresher on math and honesty is a must for you.
Carl
Carl
He did? Um, when?
11-24-2014, 02:43 AM
#105
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Pure far left nonsense.
You are the king of the half truth dude. Obama TRIPLED our annual budget deficit and now he (and you) are crowing about it dropping by 50%. A refresher on math and honesty is a must for you.
Carl
You are the king of the half truth dude. Obama TRIPLED our annual budget deficit and now he (and you) are crowing about it dropping by 50%. A refresher on math and honesty is a must for you.
Carl
Obama Deficits
FY 2015*: $564 bln
FY 2014: $483 bln
FY 2013: $680 bln
FY 2012: $1,087 bln
FY 2011: $1,300 bln
FY 2010: $1,294 bln
Bush Deficits
FY 2009†: $1,413 bln
FY 2008: $458 bln
FY 2007: $161 bln
FY 2006: $248 bln
FY 2005: $318 bln
11-24-2014, 05:32 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
11-24-2014, 05:34 AM
#107
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Originally Posted by formerdal
That is a bunch of crap, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about...as usual.
Obama Deficits
FY 2015*: $564 bln
FY 2014: $483 bln
FY 2013: $680 bln
FY 2012: $1,087 bln
FY 2011: $1,300 bln
FY 2010: $1,294 bln
Bush Deficits
FY 2009†: $1,413 bln
FY 2008: $458 bln
FY 2007: $161 bln
FY 2006: $248 bln
FY 2005: $318 bln
Obama Deficits
FY 2015*: $564 bln
FY 2014: $483 bln
FY 2013: $680 bln
FY 2012: $1,087 bln
FY 2011: $1,300 bln
FY 2010: $1,294 bln
Bush Deficits
FY 2009†: $1,413 bln
FY 2008: $458 bln
FY 2007: $161 bln
FY 2006: $248 bln
FY 2005: $318 bln
11-24-2014, 05:53 AM
#108
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Here is a checklist for all curious Obamalovers:
1. Use your travel benefits and fly to Tucson, AZ (my home for 8 years)
2. Drive to Douglas or Sierra Vista.
3. Find an off-duty Border Patrol Agent/Agents (maybe you’d bump into my son)
4. Thank him/her/them for their Service and ask them to have a lunch with you
5. Ask question about their everyday routine and what THEY think about immigration problem.
6. Pay for lunch and thank them for their Service again.
End of the procedure, don’t forget the bold stuff.
1. Use your travel benefits and fly to Tucson, AZ (my home for 8 years)
2. Drive to Douglas or Sierra Vista.
3. Find an off-duty Border Patrol Agent/Agents (maybe you’d bump into my son)
4. Thank him/her/them for their Service and ask them to have a lunch with you
5. Ask question about their everyday routine and what THEY think about immigration problem.
6. Pay for lunch and thank them for their Service again.
End of the procedure, don’t forget the bold stuff.
11-24-2014, 05:55 AM
#109
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Pure far left nonsense.
Obama TRIPLED our annual budget deficit and now he (and you) are crowing about it dropping by 50%. A refresher on math and honesty is a must for you.
Obama TRIPLED our annual budget deficit and now he (and you) are crowing about it dropping by 50%. A refresher on math and honesty is a must for you.
Originally Posted by formerdal
That is a bunch of crap, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about...as usual.
I guess Carl would like us to ignore the global economic crisis brought to us be the corporate shill deregulators that Obama had to dig us out of without any help from the Laffer folks.
11-24-2014, 05:57 AM
#110
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
David Frum and Ross Douthat? Why not post links to Rush and Bill.
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