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Old 04-11-2015, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by globalexpress View Post
United Airlines I guess is having some troubles complying with crew legalities under FAR 117 as well. Caught a blip of that on the news today.

What's interesting about the WSJ article is that it states, "Ismail Al Balooshi, director of aviation safety affairs at the General Civil Aviation Authority, the U.A.E.’s airline regulator, said in an interview he would now investigate allegations that state-owned Emirates isn't fully reporting pilot duty hours......" Tee-hee-hee.

Why Tee-hee-hee? If you look at the mafia, eh, I mean ruling family flowchart in the whitepaper exposing the subsidies to the Big ME 3(page 64), it shows how 3 guys basically control just about everything in Dubai. Ismail Al Balooshhi (mentioned above) works for the director of aviation safety affairs at the General Civil Aviation authority, which is the UAE's airline regulator. He's going to "investigate" the alleged problems at Emirates.

Wait, it gets better. Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum is the President of the General Civil Aviation authority. Guess what else Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum is? A Chairman at Emriates!! You can't make this stuff up. Remember how I posted United is in a bit of trouble right now too with the FAA? It would be like Jeff Smisek (United's CEO) being the FAA administrator AND senior management at United Airlines. I wonder how impartial an investigation that would be? And, of course, Smisek would have ruled unions illegal, so pilots would have to shut up or risk losing their jobs (at a minimum).

To investigate the above mentioned problem at Emirates, Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum can just call himself up and say, "Self, are there any problems at Emirates with their flight crews, and my, you're looking good today!"

"Thanks Sheikh. You're looking good today too! I just did a thorough investigation of myself and found no problems."

"I thought so Sheikh. D**n those WSJ reporters with their free press. They had no idea what they were talking about!"

"Yes Sheikh, I know! By the way, while I have you on the phone, please keep another 2.4 Billion handy just in case our fuel hedges go sour again in the future, OK?

"No problem Sheikh, you handsome devil! I keep some pocket change like that around just for the occasion! No worries!"

"Thanks Sheikh, good bye!"

"Too-da-loo Sheikh! Talk to you soon!"

It's good to be the Sheikh.
Actually thats incorrect. Sheik Ahmed is head of the Dubai Civil Airport Authority which manages Dubai Airport. He is not the head of the GCAA.

A more correct analogy would be if the CEO of Delta were in charge of the Airport Authority that managed ATL.
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Moto…

If you've ever flown a ULR… you've flown over 100 hours and simply get paid for, but not credited for it due to "factoring" (time not counted for bunk time towards the max 900 yearly limit). EK guys routinely have over the mandated limit of 900 hours per year because of this reason. I know some who've shown me they have upwards of 960 due to ULR flying….

EK runs its op like Ryanair…. and use the 777 in a way I doubt Boeing really designed it to be used. 30 minute turns in some cases, to 16 hour ULR's in others. Think you get some recovery time off after your 32 hour ULR? Nope…. 2 days and then go out on an Indian subcontinent all night turn. Maximum 15 days off per month…. period, no exceptions! Maximum of 5 days off in a row per month from bidding… period (unless you can trip trade but only to 7 days maximum which is next to impossible due to all of us being so tightly scheduled, there's no maneuvering room to really trade for more than about 1 day).

It's a slave ship anymore sadly and it really used to be a good place to work until the bean counters all got noticed about 3-4 years ago.

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Old 04-11-2015, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant View Post
Moto…

If you've ever flown a ULR… you've flown over 100 hours and simply get paid for, but not credited for it due to "factoring" (time not counted for bunk time towards the max 900 yearly limit). EK guys routinely have over the mandated limit of 900 hours per year because of this reason. I know some who've shown me they have upwards of 960 due to ULR flying….

EK runs its op like Ryanair…. and use the 777 in a way I doubt Boeing really designed it to be used. 30 minute turns in some cases, to 16 hour ULR's in others. Think you get some recovery time off after your 32 hour ULR? Nope…. 2 days and then go out on an Indian subcontinent all night turn. Maximum 15 days off per month…. period, no exceptions! Maximum of 5 days off in a row per month from bidding… period (unless you can trip trade but only to 7 days maximum which is next to impossible due to all of us being so tightly scheduled, there's no maneuvering room to really trade for more than about 1 day).

It's a slave ship anymore sadly and it really used to be a good place to work until the bean counters all got noticed about 3-4 years ago.

Kap
So your break time during the flight isn't counted as being on duty? Or do they subtract it from your block time? That's crazy.

I think the easiest way to combat the ME3, (which was mentioned in the other thread), is to start interviewing and hiring all the US guys that work there that want to come home. They aren't going to be able to find the amount of pilots to go work there that they have in the past with the legacies hiring like they are. If we start hiring their current pilots too, they don't stand a chance of staffing their airline into the future. That is the best way to put the screws to their plans.

I'm assuming you work there KL, what percent of their pilots are American? Would this affect them like I think it would?
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Old 04-11-2015, 06:10 AM
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So your break time during the flight isn't counted as being on duty? Or do they subtract it from your block time? That's crazy.

I think the easiest way to combat the ME3, (which was mentioned in the other thread), is to start interviewing and hiring all the US guys that work there that want to come home. They aren't going to be able to find the amount of pilots to go work there that they have in the past with the legacies hiring like they are. If we start hiring their current pilots too, they don't stand a chance of staffing their airline into the future. That is the best way to put the screws to their plans.

I'm assuming you work there KL, what percent of their pilots are American? Would this affect them like I think it would?
What percentage of those flying those big shiny new jets in the sandbox are willing to come back here for a paycut and to throw gear on a small narrowbody? I am guessing it isn't that many guys.

I hope EK goes under.
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Big E 757 & Bender....That is a great idea and frankly I think it really would work in severely crippling Emirates fight operations, for longer than one might think. At Emirates here, there are approximately 400+ Americans (in 2011 & 2012 we were the largest nationality group percentage wise, currently the Brit's are) and most of us are not happy with the way things are going. Of those 400 or so, I would say easily half would go back to a Legacy job tomorrow if given the chance, and upwards of 2/3's would leave within the next year or so (there are several financial incentives at the 5 and 7 year mark seniority wise.) Now, for the crippling part. Emirates is struggling to staff aircraft right now, and whats more alarming is they are also having a difficult time finding quality applicants that can pass the 4 day interview. Last week only 2 out of 2 groups of 8 made it, and thats a fairly typical pass rate these days (have a very good buddy in recruiting.) So, loosing 200 or even just 50 in a one month period or so would cause aircraft to be parked, as there is no "fat" staffing wise. I have not flown a flight in at least 6 months where leaving has not been the constant topic, cabin crew included. As Kapitanleutnant said, this once was a decent place to work but greed has gotten the best of them and most of us just want to watch the place burn now.
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Big E 757....That is a great idea and frankly I think it really would work in severely crippling Emirates flight Op's, for longer than one might think. At Emirates here, there are approximately 400+ Americans (we use to be the largest nationality group percentage wise in 2011 & 2012, currently the Brit's are). Of those 400 or so, I would say easily half would go back tomorrow if given the chance, and upwards of 2/3's would leave within the next year of so (there are several financial incentives at the 5 and 7 year mark seniority wise.) Now, for the crippling part. Emirates is struggling to staff aircraft right now, and whats more alarming is they are also having a difficult time finding quality applicants that can pass the 4 day interview. Last week only 2 out of 2 groups of 8 made it, and thats a fairly typical pass rate these days (have a very good buddy in recruiting.) So, loosing 200 or even just 50 in a one month period or so would cause aircraft to be parked, as there is no "fat" staffing wise. I have not flown a flight in at least 6 months where leaving has not been the constant topic, cabin crew included. As Kapitanleutnant said, this once was a decent place to work but greed has gotten the best of them and most of us just want to watch the place burn now.
Do you have your applications in here?
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Originally Posted by VnavPath View Post
Big E 757....That is a great idea and frankly I think it really would work in severely crippling Emirates flight Op's, for longer than one might think. At Emirates here, there are approximately 400+ Americans (we use to be the largest nationality group percentage wise in 2011 & 2012, currently the Brit's are). Of those 400 or so, I would say easily half would go back tomorrow if given the chance, and upwards of 2/3's would leave within the next year of so (there are several financial incentives at the 5 and 7 year mark seniority wise.) Now, for the crippling part. Emirates is struggling to staff aircraft right now, and whats more alarming is they are also having a difficult time finding quality applicants that can pass the 4 day interview. Last week only 2 out of 2 groups of 8 made it, and thats a fairly typical pass rate these days (have a very good buddy in recruiting.) So, loosing 200 or even just 50 in a one month period or so would cause aircraft to be parked, as there is no "fat" staffing wise. I have not flown a flight in at least 6 months where leaving has not been the constant topic, cabin crew included. As Kapitanleutnant said, this once was a decent place to work but greed has gotten the best of them and most of us just want to watch the place burn now.
Same here. First topic before getting on the bus leaving the briefing room, "So, are you going back to the States?". Constant from cabin crew and flight deck, and I think more and more are looking at options back home. It is surely going to be an interesting couple months, as many are waiting for certain announcements (ie. profit share, pay rise, etc.). We have enjoyed our time, but certain buckets are filling up quickly.
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Do you have your applications in here?
Yes. DL, UAL, AA, and UPS.
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Yes. DL, UAL, AA, and UPS.
I hope you are here soon. And when you do get hired, be sure to give them notice when you are sitting in your airplane seat to come back. Or don't even call. Just don't show up.
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Thanks man...Don't worry, very few Americans that have left or are planning to leave, have or intend to give them the "required" 3 month notice despite a big financial penalty. The thought process being, money can be recovered later but seniority cannot.
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