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Old 04-15-2015, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gonyon View Post
there was a recall of the MEC chairman and vice chairman. The treasurer resigned.

I think most in the rank and file are for this change, though the timing isn't ideal.

I've made a few phone calls trying to get my arms around this. Here is what it seems like people think. If the pilot thinks the MEC Chairman is a leader, that pilot is 99% against the recall. If the pilot thinks that the 3 LEC Chairs and 3 LEC Vice Chairs are the leaders, that pilot is 100% for the recall.

I do not know enough of us to make a guess about the way these numbers compare to each other in a total for/against vote.
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Old 04-15-2015, 01:43 PM
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I honestly don't know why we have a chair and vice. The treasurer is the only officer position of substance. The lec reps are the only voting members of the MEC. I say do away with the officers all together at every carrier. The position just breeds corruption and has been surrounded with controversy at both Alpa carriers I've worked at.
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Old 04-15-2015, 04:33 PM
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Nobody got whacked and there was no coup. The reps for LEC 77 and LEC 109 did what they were elected to do. They represent the interests of their constituents and the majority were asking for change in leadership and direction. They were placed at the helm for that exact purpose. Spirit is no longer the 35 airplane airline with no growth or future. We've more than doubled in size with majority of the pilots being from the post-strike era. Most "new blood" came from ALPA carriers and know the dynamics. This was all a question of time. The old Spirit is history. Welcome to the NEW Spirit. Now lets see if the "old guard" will accept this change as gentlemen and help unify the group or will we see nasty rhetoric as some here have already witnessed, including that of one of DTW's status reps and also the P2P chairman.
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Old 04-15-2015, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by A320Flyer View Post
Nobody got whacked and there was no coup. The reps for LEC 77 and LEC 109 did what they were elected to do. They represent the interests of their constituents and the majority were asking for change in leadership and direction. They were placed at the helm for that exact purpose. Spirit is no longer the 35 airplane airline with no growth or future. We've more than doubled in size with majority of the pilots being from the post-strike era. Most "new blood" came from ALPA carriers and know the dynamics. This was all a question of time. The old Spirit is history. Welcome to the NEW Spirit. Now lets see if the "old guard" will accept this change as gentlemen and help unify the group or will we see nasty rhetoric as some here have already witnessed, including that of one of DTW's status reps and also the P2P chairman.

Three are several hundred pilots in council 77 and 109.. Where was the discussion held about the recall? And please show me some empirical evidence of where a 'majority' as you say, wanted this to happen.

This was done in a tasteless manner. An offense to children to even label this as childlike behavior.

The result doesn't bother me at all, it's the way we got there. Ironically, many people part of this agenda 'campaigned' on transparency. It's total hypocrisy.
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Old 04-15-2015, 05:05 PM
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Three are several hundred pilots in council 77 and 109.. Where was the discussion held about the recall? And please show me some empirical evidence of where a 'majority' as you say, wanted this to happen.

This was done in a tasteless manner. An offense to children to even label this as childlike behavior.

The result doesn't bother me at all, it's the way we got there. Ironically, many people part of this agenda 'campaigned' on transparency. It's total hypocrisy.
No need for empirical evidence. But I will offer this. I attended a recent 77 LEC meeting with over 30 pilots in attendance. All but 3 were here post-2010. And yes, the majority there were looking for a renewal of leadership and for major changes. This was very evident. They were almost all ALPA members at previous airlines and were unhappy and very outspoken about the way our union was being run. That sample was certainly enough for me to deduce what the entire LEC population wanted with pretty high confidence.
Additionally, pilots write and call their representatives. I know many, including myself, that did that exact thing asking for some positive changes. The LEC reps listened and acted. This is a political process. Tasteless is what some of our former reps have done in the recent past displaying aggressive, condescending and highly arrogant behavior. You know who they are.
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Old 04-15-2015, 05:29 PM
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Meanwhile back at 109 meetings we've got guys crying about how they can't credit 150hrs instead of realizing August should be when we can make more than that on 72 hrs. They really can't let the old spirit go.
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Originally Posted by A320Flyer View Post
Nobody got whacked and there was no coup. The reps for LEC 77 and LEC 109 did what they were elected to do. They represent the interests of their constituents and the majority were asking for change in leadership and direction. They were placed at the helm for that exact purpose. Spirit is no longer the 35 airplane airline with no growth or future. We've more than doubled in size with majority of the pilots being from the post-strike era. Most "new blood" came from ALPA carriers and know the dynamics. This was all a question of time. The old Spirit is history. Welcome to the NEW Spirit. Now lets see if the "old guard" will accept this change as gentlemen and help unify the group or will we see nasty rhetoric as some here have already witnessed, including that of one of DTW's status reps and also the P2P chairman.
Didn't realize that DTW had its own council. Last I heard council 18 encompassed ACY, DTW and ORD.
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Old 04-15-2015, 06:12 PM
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Didn't realize that DTW had its own council. Last I heard council 18 encompassed ACY, DTW and ORD.
You are correct. I couldn't remember the Council number. I'm sure many here are highly educated and got the idea. But it is the 18 rep's Facebook posts that many have seen that I am referring to. Conduct unbecoming a gentleman in his position as a LEC representative. The P2P chair...well, many have seen those to. Another inappropriate action and violation of the Code of Ethics. Integrity and ethics is something missing nowadays.
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Old 04-15-2015, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by A320Flyer View Post
No need for empirical evidence. But I will offer this. I attended a recent 77 LEC meeting with over 30 pilots in attendance. All but 3 were here post-2010. And yes, the majority there were looking for a renewal of leadership and for major changes. This was very evident. They were almost all ALPA members at previous airlines and were unhappy and very outspoken about the way our union was being run. That sample was certainly enough for me to deduce what the entire LEC population wanted with pretty high confidence.
Additionally, pilots write and call their representatives. I know many, including myself, that did that exact thing asking for some positive changes. The LEC reps listened and acted. This is a political process. Tasteless is what some of our former reps have done in the recent past displaying aggressive, condescending and highly arrogant behavior. You know who they are.
Respectfully, you didn't answer my questions but merely re-iterated your preference and opinion. I'm not saying they are invalid but the process in which this was done surely was detestable.

30 pilots is hardly a majority even in your own LEC. It was a vocal minority whose desire for change is honorable (which I'm personally not against), but again I'll say this was not the way we as professionals ought to conduct business.

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Old 04-15-2015, 08:51 PM
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Haharelatively junior and have been at other carriers with MUCH tighter union leadership in terms of organization and communication. The union here is extremely weak on those fronts.

I do think the timing and method employed is a a lil unnerving at this point though. But I have confidence in the leadership and am optimistic about the near and distant future
I can't count the number of times I've heard this argument from Mesa alumni. They had a well oiled machine, wore ties and pant-suits to meetings, and got together every Friday for a bourbon out back. They also continually negotiated untenable contracts. Function at Spirit is more important than form. I hope we didn't smoke all these fools so we can better adhere to Roberts rules at our meetings.
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