Hello Seniors, at Spirit that is
04-18-2015, 11:32 AM
#12
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Be assured, no one I talk to is considering any concessions.
There is plenty of room in today's NK, for JetBlue+X% pay, with improvements in work rules, 401K, retirement, scope.
There is NO better time than NOW!
Rushing into a quick sign would be a travesty.
IF NOT NOW, WHEN?
There is plenty of room in today's NK, for JetBlue+X% pay, with improvements in work rules, 401K, retirement, scope.
There is NO better time than NOW!
Rushing into a quick sign would be a travesty.
IF NOT NOW, WHEN?
04-18-2015, 11:33 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Originally Posted by ShopVac
Note to the guys who think the above is an attack on them, if you honestly desire to stay at Spirit because you have great seniority ( in the overall theme of things) and you like the quick upgrade and you think Spiritis "the place to be for the future" , then you should be focused on the long term.
Somewhere in your training you heard this, "make sure you always know where the airplane will be in five minutes, and get your head there NOW!"
I'm saying make sure you know where you want to be in 5, 10, 15 years, and get your head there NOW!
Somewhere in your training you heard this, "make sure you always know where the airplane will be in five minutes, and get your head there NOW!"
I'm saying make sure you know where you want to be in 5, 10, 15 years, and get your head there NOW!
So am I supposed to make 50%, yes 50%, less than my peers on pay and 44% less retirement for the next 15years to enjoy a qol that only my seniority is buying. That's a lot of money! And that seniority won't mean a think if the company drives through our gaping holes in our scope or I get diabetes for which I have no LTD to protect me when I lose my medical. Man I'm so glad you were here to help me with my priorities.
04-18-2015, 11:37 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by Jett i son
Be assured, no one I talk to is considering any concessions.
There is plenty of room in today's NK, for JetBlue+X% pay, with improvements in work rules, 401K, retirement, scope.
There is NO better time than NOW!
Rushing into a quick sign would be a travesty.
IF NOT NOW, WHEN?
There is plenty of room in today's NK, for JetBlue+X% pay, with improvements in work rules, 401K, retirement, scope.
There is NO better time than NOW!
Rushing into a quick sign would be a travesty.
IF NOT NOW, WHEN?
If you want JetBlue + X% you better mean +XX%
04-18-2015, 11:50 AM
#15
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Posts: 11
Originally Posted by StinkyFinger
Why would you be asking for something from Delta?
Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
DAL profit margin: 1.63
SAVE profit margin: 11.67
SAVE profit margin: 11.67
SAVE profit: 225 Million
And I guess I should have referenced AA, as they, not Delta, were actually "The Most Profitable Airline in the United States" last year - 2.9 Billion.
04-18-2015, 12:58 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
***! JetBlue is in negotiations NOW for raises on those rates. Delta is in negotiations NOW. Southwest is in negotiations NOW. FedEx is I'm negotiations NOW. United will be negotiating again next year.
If you want JetBlue + X% you better mean +XX%
If you want JetBlue + X% you better mean +XX%
Why do you think I am in NO hurry to quick sign.
Management knows... they are pushing for a quickie, so we would miss the opportunity for higher leverage/comps.
Their 30% offer is a steal. (for them)
PAY (hr+guarantee), scope (merger language), retirement.
Make it XXX %
04-18-2015, 01:41 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by StinkyFinger
DAL profit: 2.8 Billion
SAVE profit: 225 Million
And I guess I should have referenced AA, as they, not Delta, were actually "The Most Profitable Airline in the United States" last year - 2.9 Billion.
SAVE profit: 225 Million
And I guess I should have referenced AA, as they, not Delta, were actually "The Most Profitable Airline in the United States" last year - 2.9 Billion.
DAL - 1000+ planes (including RJ's)
AAL - 1200+ planes (including RJ's)
NKS - 70
$225 mil ain't too shabby. As far as profit per aircraft, Spirit beats everybody.
04-18-2015, 01:49 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by StinkyFinger
DAL profit: 2.8 Billion
SAVE profit: 225 Million
And I guess I should have referenced AA, as they, not Delta, were actually "The Most Profitable Airline in the United States" last year - 2.9 Billion.
SAVE profit: 225 Million
And I guess I should have referenced AA, as they, not Delta, were actually "The Most Profitable Airline in the United States" last year - 2.9 Billion.
Not bad for little 5B market cap / 60 airframe save.
Let's see what happens when oil is $100+ with DAL's 1 percent margin.
Spirit's margins don't beat DAL's, they took DAL's to dinner, then bent them over the hood of their car in the parking lot.
04-18-2015, 01:59 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by Jett i son
Could not agree more.
Why do you think I am in NO hurry to quick sign.
Management knows... they are pushing for a quickie, so we would miss the opportunity for higher leverage/comps.
Their 30% offer is a steal. (for them)
PAY (hr+guarantee), scope (merger language), retirement.
Make it XXX %
Why do you think I am in NO hurry to quick sign.
Management knows... they are pushing for a quickie, so we would miss the opportunity for higher leverage/comps.
Their 30% offer is a steal. (for them)
PAY (hr+guarantee), scope (merger language), retirement.
Make it XXX %
04-18-2015, 02:16 PM
#20
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Posts: 202
Originally Posted by ShopVac
Agreed, but the ones fracturing the group would be the ones who say "nothing counts but what I want". But, my topic title is regretable I shouldnt have used the word seniors. I'll try and change it.
BTW, I'm one of the junior old pharts. I see both sides and I want to leave this group in better shape than when I found it.
BTW, I'm one of the junior old pharts. I see both sides and I want to leave this group in better shape than when I found it.
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