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Old 04-25-2015, 12:28 PM
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Yeah, and the guy I flew with a few months ago, had $200K in college loans at 14% interest. His first $1.5 million in career earning are needed to pay that off. He would have been better off working for Taco Bell, and not going at all.

Also, that $18K figure is people who found jobs with a college degree. Add in people who couldn't find a job, and their career earnings are no more than a HS grad.
Did pay for his education on a credit card? Most student loans are well below 14%. In fact, most government subsidized loans are in the neighborhood of 3-4%. If you got a private loan for a place like ATP, that loan is still down near 6%. If you take $200k from a loan shark, then I feel no sympathy for you. I know LOTS of people who went to great schools and left with little to no debt.
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
Yeah, and the guy I flew with a few months ago, had $200K in college loans at 14% interest. His first $1.5 million in career earning are needed to pay that off. He would have been better off working for Taco Bell, and not going at all.

Also, that $18K figure is people who found jobs with a college degree. Add in people who couldn't find a job, and their career earnings are no more than a HS grad.
Ivory Tower is a documentary done in 2014 questioning the value of a degree today. Especially eye opening for me was the segment on the university of Arizona. Getting my undergrad degree was absolutely nothing like that. I too question the validity of some degrees today.

Faber College's motto was "all learning is good." The U of A segment had no learning going on. "Mr Blutarski, 0.0" might've been replaced by "Mr Blutarski 4.0" which would've really messed up one of the most quotable quotes of Animal House.

A significant part of getting a degree is about personal growth and developing independence. Remove those, lighten the academic load, increase the debt and what do you have?
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:32 PM
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Did pay for his education on a credit card? Most student loans are well below 14%. In fact, most government subsidized loans are in the neighborhood of 3-4%. If you got a private loan for a place like ATP, that loan is still down near 6%. If you take $200k from a loan shark, then I feel no sympathy for you. I know LOTS of people who went to great schools and left with little to no debt.
It was a government loan, he had that low rate until he defaulted, then it jumped to 14%. That's the government for ya....
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:44 PM
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I do think it is a bit ridiculous to use the length of time it took a candidate to finish their degree as a discriminator. It took me a lot longer than 5 years to finish mine while I worked full-time and supported a family. I do somewhat understand Delta's logic behind the requirement though. It is their show and they can run it any way they like. For those that want a job at a Major, earn the degree. For those like me that took a decade to earn the undergraduate, consider a Masters. They can be affordable and it's a great way to improve yourself and help your resume stand out! It's also a great way to kill time in a hotel room....just my worthless two cents.
Delta will not hold that against you in any way. What they don't like is someone who took 6 years to get through school with no real reason.
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:59 PM
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Delta will not hold that against you in any way. What they don't like is someone who took 6 years to get through school with no real reason.
Yeah, it's easy to explain that once you get to the panel, it's getting there that is the hard part. Delta doesn't hold your past against you in the panel, as long as you have learned, and changed from your mistakes. However, your past comes back to haunt you in the initial screening process, if you are not competitive.
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
A significant part of getting a degree is about personal growth and developing independence. Remove those, lighten the academic load, increase the debt and what do you have?
And shorter/more concise way to say EXACTLY what I was getting at.

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Delta will not hold that against you in any way. What they don't like is someone who took 6 years to get through school with no real reason.
And the point still stands. Not till one gets a chance to explain that OUTSIDE the boxes/fields on an app does it matter.
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:02 PM
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I like how Delta Air Lines snubs a snooty nose at guys like me who took decades to get a degree and they're suspicious of that by "not wanting to take the initiative" and finish or some other horse pocky answer. Quite the opposite in fact. I am going to finish my degree debt free online with the same piece of paper and flight times one going to a brick and mortar school has with 100k in debt. I know it's Delta's way and that's fine. But they're missing out on some class clowns.

And BTW i'm testing out of pretty much all of my degree. When finished, it'll be fully accredited and cost less than $10,000. Guess what Delta. That's gumption. That's smart. My favorite irony are the ones with Economics and Finance degrees that are 100k in debt. Didn't you learn anything?
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Old 04-25-2015, 02:07 PM
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I find it comical that these crusty delta captains harp so much fishing for the pick of the litter from state, Ivy League or top engineering, technical universities.

The real question is why someone with such credentials want to waste all that time, money and effort just to fly airplanes.

I find that kind of idiotic.

Personally I have flown with really smart educated folks in my career that can't fly themselves out of a paper bag. But oh well. To each their own.
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Old 04-25-2015, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Learflyer View Post
I like how Delta Air Lines snubs a snooty nose at guys like me who took decades to get a degree and they're suspicious of that by "not wanting to take the initiative" and finish or some other horse pocky answer. Quite the opposite in fact. I am going to finish my degree debt free online with the same piece of paper and flight times one going to a brick and mortar school has with 100k in debt. I know it's Delta's way and that's fine. But they're missing out on some class clowns.

And BTW i'm testing out of pretty much all of my degree. When finished, it'll be fully accredited and cost less than $10,000. Guess what Delta. That's gumption. That's smart. My favorite irony are the ones with Economics and Finance degrees that are 100k in debt. Didn't you learn anything?
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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam View Post
I find it comical that these crusty delta captains harp so much fishing for the pick of the litter from state, Ivy League or top engineering, technical universities.

The real question is why someone with such credentials want to waste all that time, money and effort just to fly airplanes.

I find that kind of idiotic.

Personally I have flown with really smart educated folks in my career that can't fly themselves out of a paper bag. But oh well. To each their own.
I've flown with some really dumb people who are also terrible pilots. I'll take the former though because at least they have some critical thinking skills.
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