Degree requirement
04-25-2015, 04:02 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Learflyer
I like how Delta Air Lines snubs a snooty nose at guys like me who took decades to get a degree and they're suspicious of that by "not wanting to take the initiative" and finish or some other horse pocky answer. Quite the opposite in fact. I am going to finish my degree debt free online with the same piece of paper and flight times one going to a brick and mortar school has with 100k in debt. I know it's Delta's way and that's fine. But they're missing out on some class clowns. 
And BTW i'm testing out of pretty much all of my degree. When finished, it'll be fully accredited and cost less than $10,000. Guess what Delta. That's gumption. That's smart. My favorite irony are the ones with Economics and Finance degrees that are 100k in debt. Didn't you learn anything?
And BTW i'm testing out of pretty much all of my degree. When finished, it'll be fully accredited and cost less than $10,000. Guess what Delta. That's gumption. That's smart. My favorite irony are the ones with Economics and Finance degrees that are 100k in debt. Didn't you learn anything?
04-25-2015, 04:31 PM
#32
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Degree requirement
Originally Posted by CheapTrick
Learflyer, Delta isn't snubbing you at all. You just aren't competitive yet. When you get your debt free degree and your 10k of flying time you'll get hired at DAL! Those silly Econ/Finance majors will already be DAL captains in the 8-10 years it takes you to get there and will be looking at an extra $2-3M in comparable career earnings. Tell us again what is smart? Time value of money and all that.
Thanks for your concern. That earned money you state can be earned at a bunch of different carriers. It's how you live your life that matters. Stay married, live below your means, and easy (or don't have any) on the kids. See you on the guard freq!
04-25-2015, 05:02 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam
I find it comical that these crusty delta captains harp so much fishing for the pick of the litter from state, Ivy League or top engineering, technical universities.
The real question is why someone with such credentials want to waste all that time, money and effort just to fly airplanes.
I find that kind of idiotic.
Personally I have flown with really smart educated folks in my career that can't fly themselves out of a paper bag. But oh well. To each their own.
The real question is why someone with such credentials want to waste all that time, money and effort just to fly airplanes.
I find that kind of idiotic.
Personally I have flown with really smart educated folks in my career that can't fly themselves out of a paper bag. But oh well. To each their own.
04-25-2015, 05:12 PM
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While having a degree may not make someone a good or bad pilot. it is an easy discriminator. Think if you were picking the candidates why wouldn't you pick the guy that went to test pilot school, has 4.0 gpas from all the Ivy League schools, and has 6k TPIC to go to the interview. Then from there determine if he/she is like Jimmy Buffet or Ghengis Khan.
For those that think "it's unfair" that they don't have that discriminator or that their degree isn't valued as much need to get over it or don't.
For those that think "it's unfair" that they don't have that discriminator or that their degree isn't valued as much need to get over it or don't.
04-25-2015, 05:36 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam
I find it comical that these crusty delta captains harp so much fishing for the pick of the litter from state, Ivy League or top engineering, technical universities.
The real question is why someone with such credentials want to waste all that time, money and effort just to fly airplanes.
I find that kind of idiotic.
Personally I have flown with really smart educated folks in my career that can't fly themselves out of a paper bag. But oh well. To each their own.
The real question is why someone with such credentials want to waste all that time, money and effort just to fly airplanes.
I find that kind of idiotic.
Personally I have flown with really smart educated folks in my career that can't fly themselves out of a paper bag. But oh well. To each their own.
04-25-2015, 07:03 PM
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When Delta runs out of applicants with 4 year degrees they may then change their requirements.
Of course they could also chose to find applicants with 4 year degrees and train them up ab initio style.
Of course they could also chose to find applicants with 4 year degrees and train them up ab initio style.
04-25-2015, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Olario
For Pete's sake. Enough with this degree/no degree crap.
You want to work at ABC airline, look at their requirement. If its required, go get it. If its not, then dont.
I have a bachelors and an MBA (finish my bachelors and got the MBA while flying for a regional).
I was recently hired at a Legacy.
And while Im enjoying my new airline, its nice to know that if something happens to me and I can no longer fly, I have something to fall back to and still provide adequately to my family.
Personally I dont know how guys spend hours on this debate. Who cares? The big question is what you are going to do if you can no longer be in aviation and all you have to fall back to is a HS diploma.
Those that depend on you deserve your best efforts.
Enough with my rant....Carry on with the pointless complaint how life is unfair....
You want to work at ABC airline, look at their requirement. If its required, go get it. If its not, then dont.
I have a bachelors and an MBA (finish my bachelors and got the MBA while flying for a regional).
I was recently hired at a Legacy.
And while Im enjoying my new airline, its nice to know that if something happens to me and I can no longer fly, I have something to fall back to and still provide adequately to my family.
Personally I dont know how guys spend hours on this debate. Who cares? The big question is what you are going to do if you can no longer be in aviation and all you have to fall back to is a HS diploma.
Those that depend on you deserve your best efforts.
Enough with my rant....Carry on with the pointless complaint how life is unfair....
Our experience as airline pilots translated to just about nothing in the business world. A business degree was just a starter, they want experience. And to them we no experience. So we go in the have a degree but no experience pile, i.e., start from the bottom.
You kind of have to parlay this experience into something that would benefit directly from this airline experience. Or build an income stream on the side.
04-25-2015, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
Learflyer, Delta isn't snubbing you at all. You just aren't competitive yet. When you get your debt free degree and your 10k of flying time you'll get hired at DAL! Those silly Econ/Finance majors will already be DAL captains in the 8-10 years it takes you to get there and will be looking at an extra $2-3M in comparable career earnings. Tell us again what is smart? Time value of money and all that.
And if you worked full time out of HS to pay for flying lessons and then working as a CFI while doing say, Liberty University online the entire time, how is that viewed? I hear their commercials all of the time now for online courses and wonder if that's the direction we are headed given Big College has gotten out of control thanks to Big Government Students Loans. I like the idea of having some quality control in learning and online courses seems to offer that more uniformly then random GTAs and students for life professors. Disclaimer, there are a lot of stupid majors now offered in college, the real majors with job potential are still very hard like engineering, accounting... and that's it.
04-25-2015, 08:18 PM
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The other problem with a degree, is that as the market changes you are stuck with what you have. I have a degree in mechanical engineering, but I wish I had a degree in computer engineering. It would be way more useful for my business. I had no debt when I got out of college, but for some stuck in a dead end major that is worthless, with six figures of debt, it is just outrageous.
We are spoiled in the pilot profession that any degree is qualifying, so for us it isn't an issue. Imagine the outcry if Delta started requiring an aerospace engineering degree to get hired, or to retain employment like they did with some managers.
We are spoiled in the pilot profession that any degree is qualifying, so for us it isn't an issue. Imagine the outcry if Delta started requiring an aerospace engineering degree to get hired, or to retain employment like they did with some managers.
04-25-2015, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon20
While having a degree may not make someone a good or bad pilot. it is an easy discriminator. Think if you were picking the candidates why wouldn't you pick the guy that went to test pilot school, has 4.0 gpas from all the Ivy League schools, and has 6k TPIC to go to the interview. Then from there determine if he/she is like Jimmy Buffet or Ghengis Khan.
For those that think "it's unfair" that they don't have that discriminator or that their degree isn't valued as much need to get over it or don't.
For those that think "it's unfair" that they don't have that discriminator or that their degree isn't valued as much need to get over it or don't.
Also, DL doesn't crap can your application if you took a while longer to get your degree- it's just scored a tad lower. You'll get your shot!
The SSP is winding down (0 names being sent for May from what I'm hearing) and there are dwindling CPZ flows as well. Lots more opportunities are coming for the "normal" off the street folks.
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