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Old 05-29-2015, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
This train was right on time.......



If you're in an emergency, WHY on earth accept runway changes? ATC is working FOR YOU, not the other way around. If you've been up for 11 hours on an all nighter, and you loaded a specific approach, briefed, why let them change it up on you?

And listen to the tape, the last one was voluntary.
Could have been white knight syndrome on the part of ATC or the pilots or both. One US airline almost went off the end of a very long dry runway in the fog of war trying to play hero. Its a real CRM issue and a huge standing threat. Especially when force multiplied by other threats as was the case in the example being discussed.
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Old 05-29-2015, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
Could have been white knight syndrome on the part of ATC or the pilots or both.
Possibly. If you have access to the ASAP report or know the players maybe you'd have insight that many don't.

But just in the realm of TEM/possible outcomes, what would have ACTAULLY been faster and less error/threat prone?

Just saying in a "learn from a previous situation way" and NOT a "they pooched a screw way".
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Old 05-29-2015, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by shoelu View Post
• January 2014: Southwest Airlines
• November 2013: Atlas Air
• August 2012: Silver Airways
• July 2012: A military C-17 Globemaster III
• September 2011: Continental Airlines
• June 2004: Northwest Airlines
• January 2004: Shuttle America
• May 1997: Continental Airlines
• September 1995: Northwest Airlines

TWA 2001: MD-80 landed at Craig, CO 5600'x100' instead of Hayden/Steamboat 10,000'x150'
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Old 05-29-2015, 11:31 AM
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2004 me, almost, had it not been for an awesome fo who spoke up and voiced his concern. Was the exact airport/runway as the continental in 1997. We were fully configured, short final. Talking to the controller on the phone after, he said he was supposed to be watching but was distracted by something else. He was more apologetic than anything. Happens. I throw no rocks from my glass house.
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