State Department comment period on Fair Skies
#51
Line Holder
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Unfortunately, most pilots vote republican, during the 80's the MEC Chair was held by republicans. 75% of the APA political dues went to bush. So you can't fault the democrats for not supporting pilots.
#52
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Clinton's NAFTA turned out to be a BUST for labor both in the USA and Canada. Clinton must have forgotten his "labor roots" or just went rogue.
#53
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What is pretty simple is that one party hates unions.
#54
Pilots are only a small part of the labor picture. Boeing unions have a very different outlook on ME3 carriers who buy lots of planes. The UAE is also an enormous ally of the US in the Middle East. You should see some of our air bases there. Things are not as simple as we pilots sometimes like to imagine.
What is pretty simple is that one party hates unions.
What is pretty simple is that one party hates unions.
#55
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Could you please give us all the 'other considerations' for airline pilots to support Republicans?
Last edited by Flytolive; 03-31-2016 at 08:06 AM.
#56
When it comes to lack of support for airline pilots, the position is rather non-partisan imo. Neither party supports the best interest of your income leverage. Even the traditional Democratic assumption of labor support is disingenuous when they are the pushers of the middle class killing via NAFTA/CAFTA and TPP. The Republican position is and has been outwardly corporatist from the get-go, so nothing new to report there.
This job will eventually be another casualty of globalization. Me, I tend to write-in my votes on a piecemeal basis. The only thing I can affect is how I position myself financially when the end comes to this job (cabotage, technology obsolescence). Diversifying household income is one way I'm trying to afford life (sending the wife to nursing school), also living below my income, which I recognize it's not palatable to many fraus out there. With the RLA and the public's entitlement to the idea of air transport as a public commodity, airline unions are not real unions anyways. I'm not advocating their dissolution, I think it beats the alternative; I'm merely pointing out their leverage in today's labor environment is weak at best.
I also agree with the other poster regarding retirement. As nice as having a pension is, there's no way I take an IOU from a private employer, ever. B-funds are the only thing I'd take for deferred compensation. Government pensions OTOH are a lot more palatable to me only because stiffing me out of those creates havoc for the entire street, which insulates me. When I'm the only one in the street suffering, as was the case with the airline pension wipes, I can't successfully socialize my loss into political action. I'm a populist that way. Why wouldn't I be? Airline pilot is not a unique skillset the way some on here try to think it is. I'm no trained surgeon, I'm not a price setter. Strength in numbers then.
This job will eventually be another casualty of globalization. Me, I tend to write-in my votes on a piecemeal basis. The only thing I can affect is how I position myself financially when the end comes to this job (cabotage, technology obsolescence). Diversifying household income is one way I'm trying to afford life (sending the wife to nursing school), also living below my income, which I recognize it's not palatable to many fraus out there. With the RLA and the public's entitlement to the idea of air transport as a public commodity, airline unions are not real unions anyways. I'm not advocating their dissolution, I think it beats the alternative; I'm merely pointing out their leverage in today's labor environment is weak at best.
I also agree with the other poster regarding retirement. As nice as having a pension is, there's no way I take an IOU from a private employer, ever. B-funds are the only thing I'd take for deferred compensation. Government pensions OTOH are a lot more palatable to me only because stiffing me out of those creates havoc for the entire street, which insulates me. When I'm the only one in the street suffering, as was the case with the airline pension wipes, I can't successfully socialize my loss into political action. I'm a populist that way. Why wouldn't I be? Airline pilot is not a unique skillset the way some on here try to think it is. I'm no trained surgeon, I'm not a price setter. Strength in numbers then.
#57
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So, is the Obama Administration (democrat) going to support pilots by rejecting the so-called open skies, or is he just another republican (pretend democrat) pretending to be on the side of labor?
Clinton's NAFTA turned out to be a BUST for labor both in the USA and Canada. Clinton must have forgotten his "labor roots" or just went rogue.
Clinton's NAFTA turned out to be a BUST for labor both in the USA and Canada. Clinton must have forgotten his "labor roots" or just went rogue.
#58
FWIW:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/pre...line-industry/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/pre...line-industry/
STATEMENT BY SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS: WE MUST PREVENT A GLOBAL RACE TO THE BOTTOM IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY
Norwegian Air International’s attempt to undermine international labor laws by outsourcing cheap labor from Thailand and other low-wage countries is unacceptable. The U.S. Department of Transportation should not be rewarding this airline with a foreign air carrier permit that would allow it to undercut the wages and benefits of airline workers throughout this country.
Granting such a permit would be a direct violation of the strong labor provisions included in the U.S./E.U. Open Skies Agreement. Moreover, it would set a dangerous precedent that threatens the jobs of hundreds of thousands of flight attendants, mechanics, pilots and other airline workers in our country and in Europe.
We must do everything we can to prevent a global race to the bottom in the airline industry.
If this permit is approved, it would open the door to the same “flag of convenience” model that decimated U.S. shipping and paved the way for the outsourcing of nearly 100,000 American jobs. We cannot allow that to happen.
The U.S. Department of Transportation should reverse its tentative decision to approve this permit. We should be working to expand, not cut, good paying jobs across both the United States and the European Union. These labor standards were meant to benefit workers in the U.S. and the E.U, not weaken them.
Norwegian Air International’s attempt to undermine international labor laws by outsourcing cheap labor from Thailand and other low-wage countries is unacceptable. The U.S. Department of Transportation should not be rewarding this airline with a foreign air carrier permit that would allow it to undercut the wages and benefits of airline workers throughout this country.
Granting such a permit would be a direct violation of the strong labor provisions included in the U.S./E.U. Open Skies Agreement. Moreover, it would set a dangerous precedent that threatens the jobs of hundreds of thousands of flight attendants, mechanics, pilots and other airline workers in our country and in Europe.
We must do everything we can to prevent a global race to the bottom in the airline industry.
If this permit is approved, it would open the door to the same “flag of convenience” model that decimated U.S. shipping and paved the way for the outsourcing of nearly 100,000 American jobs. We cannot allow that to happen.
The U.S. Department of Transportation should reverse its tentative decision to approve this permit. We should be working to expand, not cut, good paying jobs across both the United States and the European Union. These labor standards were meant to benefit workers in the U.S. and the E.U, not weaken them.
#60
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If you don't think NAI is a labor issue google foreign flagging in the merchant marine.
NAI jobs? That's hilarious. Hope you are being compensated for carrying that heavy NAI water.
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