QOL as a new hire reserve pilot at Frontier
#21
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Congrats...your post wins for more self-involved and ignorant!! Super glad you're at JB...good luck with Delta wages. And so insightful you are with the assertion that "you guys want to be the lowest paid Airbus operators."
Thanks for the help with our 2nd year pay goal, and from all the F9 pilots, a sincere apology that we could potentially be a negative impact on your negotiations.
What a d-bag. 💩💩💩
Thanks for the help with our 2nd year pay goal, and from all the F9 pilots, a sincere apology that we could potentially be a negative impact on your negotiations.
What a d-bag. 💩💩💩
#22
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I was kidding, but your pay is absurdly low. I'm at Jetblue now. Still want to compare W2's over 36 months?
Y'all can do what you want. I normally could care less if you guys want to be the lowest paid Airbus operators in the US. My problem is that we are negotiating a new contract and trying to match Delta/ AA/ United Pay scales. Management is countering us and using your pay as representative.
Maybe y'all can fight for $100/hr year 2 pay so you can be At least in the ball park?
Y'all can do what you want. I normally could care less if you guys want to be the lowest paid Airbus operators in the US. My problem is that we are negotiating a new contract and trying to match Delta/ AA/ United Pay scales. Management is countering us and using your pay as representative.
Maybe y'all can fight for $100/hr year 2 pay so you can be At least in the ball park?
For those interested in coming here.. reserve QOL can be greatly increased with aggressive reserve, long and medium call, and reserve day swapping in Flica. Don't expect to get all weekends/holidays off right off the bat, but in my experience, immediately after IOE I was able swap into at least one or two weekends off and that was with a schedule with all weekend reserve. Pay attention to when the next class hits the line, it increases coverage and allows you more flexibility.
I commuted to reserve and it does wear on you. But if I lived in base, I would bid reserve probably 3/4 months a year and enjoy the time at home.
#23
Maybe you forgot that we are still operating under a concessionary contract post bankruptcy?
Before 2008 I rode the crew van with plenty of UAL 757/767 Captains who were making less flying wide and long haul under their concessionary contract than the ample supply same or lower years-of-service 114-128 seat AB pilots at Frontier.
BTW - The wage rates I quoted are fact, not some anecdotal "When I was your age.." mumbo jumbo. I personally think having a lower 1st year payscale and holding new hires to a high standard does a LOT better job of weeding out those who actually want to be here than buying a type or signing a training contract would.
Yes, we need a raise across the board; 1st year on up. Our Section 6 openers are in 246 days, but who's counting :-)
#24
Y'all can do what you want. I normally could care less if you guys want to be the lowest paid Airbus operators in the US. My problem is that we are negotiating a new contract and trying to match Delta/ AA/ United Pay scales. Management is countering us and using your pay as representative.
Maybe y'all can fight for $100/hr year 2 pay so you can be At least in the ball park?
Maybe y'all can fight for $100/hr year 2 pay so you can be At least in the ball park?
Jet Blue Skies - Forbes circa 2001: '“I raised the money–$130 million–in two weeks,”' Neeleman says. “We had no [airport] slots, no gates, no planes, nothing. But the investors know me and trust me. Plus, I’m a good storyteller.” Weston and Chase Capital were return investors and George Soros was brought into the deal. After blowing through $30 million before JetBlue flew its first flight, Neeleman appealed for and got another $30 million to plug the hole." (a good investment by Soros BTW).
As Hacksaw sarcastically said, "We enjoy having the lowest AB wages around." - NOT! We are still working under a contract signed at the beginning of 2007, and which has been degraded since.
Maybe you weren't paying attention when we successfully fought our way through bankruptcy, and a couple other significant challenges - so we could exist to negotiate for higher wages?
Now your learned position is that we should have just gone out of business to improve YOUR bargaining position? Nice. There's only too much capacity when it's the other guy's capacity you're talking about. Back to GoJets with you.
#25
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I was kidding, but your pay is absurdly low. I'm at Jetblue now. Still want to compare W2's over 36 months?
Y'all can do what you want. I normally could care less if you guys want to be the lowest paid Airbus operators in the US. My problem is that we are negotiating a new contract and trying to match Delta/ AA/ United Pay scales. Management is countering us and using your pay as representative.
Maybe y'all can fight for $100/hr year 2 pay so you can be At least in the ball park?
Y'all can do what you want. I normally could care less if you guys want to be the lowest paid Airbus operators in the US. My problem is that we are negotiating a new contract and trying to match Delta/ AA/ United Pay scales. Management is countering us and using your pay as representative.
Maybe y'all can fight for $100/hr year 2 pay so you can be At least in the ball park?
But how long have you been at JB?
During the legacy concession and BK cuts, JB's (and other LCC's) pay was used as the "lowered" bar for setting new rates at the legacies for Airbus rates.
So while you cry foul that Frontier may be hampering your future rates, JB helped to reduce legacy rates years previous.
Ain't that something?
#26
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Well, that's all fine and dandy.
But how long have you been at JB?
During the legacy concession and BK cuts, JB's (and other LCC's) pay was used as the "lowered" bar for setting new rates at the legacies for Airbus rates.
So while you cry foul that Frontier may be hampering your future rates, JB helped to reduce legacy rates years previous.
Ain't that something?
But how long have you been at JB?
During the legacy concession and BK cuts, JB's (and other LCC's) pay was used as the "lowered" bar for setting new rates at the legacies for Airbus rates.
So while you cry foul that Frontier may be hampering your future rates, JB helped to reduce legacy rates years previous.
Ain't that something?
#27
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Posts: 114
seekingblue, You appear to be new to the industry and whether you intended to be inflammatory or not, you were successful in ****ing on a group of fine professional pilots that had the perseverance to survive incredible odds in order to fight another day. The concessionary contract we are operating under has an early opener in 2016, at which time the Frontier pilots are indeed planning to negotiate the best contract possible. With record profits, it should be one even you can be proud of:/
#28
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seekingblue, You appear to be new to the industry and whether you intended to be inflammatory or not, you were successful in ****ing on a group of fine professional pilots that had the perseverance to survive incredible odds in order to fight another day. The concessionary contract we are operating under has an early opener in 2016, at which time the Frontier pilots are indeed planning to negotiate the best contract possible. With record profits, it should be one even you can be proud of:/
I'm glad to hear that contract negotiations are opening. I hope you guys can get a great contract that pays you what you are worth.
#29
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Position: A320 FO
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Congrats...your post wins for more self-involved and ignorant!! Super glad you're at JB...good luck with Delta wages. And so insightful you are with the assertion that "you guys want to be the lowest paid Airbus operators."
Thanks for the help with our 2nd year pay goal, and from all the F9 pilots, a sincere apology that we could potentially be a negative impact on your negotiations.
What a d-bag. 💩💩💩
Thanks for the help with our 2nd year pay goal, and from all the F9 pilots, a sincere apology that we could potentially be a negative impact on your negotiations.
What a d-bag. 💩💩💩
Lets get back to sharing info to make our lives better.
Best Regards
#30
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,649
Your post was along the lines of an FNG mainline pilot lecturing a regional about all the RJ's running round like it's their fault.
Problem is, said mainline pilot has ZERO clue how it all happened in the FIRST PLACE. I'm talking the pre 9/11 FIRST PLACE.
Like I asked, how long have you been at JB? Or more importantly, this career in general? Most guys are painfully aware of the points I've made.
Here's to hoping the F9 guys get good contract. The concessions and RAH debacle has been hard on them.
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