FAA Jumpseating in and out of DFW
08-24-2015, 10:01 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by MusicPilot
The JS is for observing and pilot "commuting". Nothing more.
FAA inspectors are authorized to ride the jumpseat to conduct route checks. Doesn't matter if they're GA or whatever. They're authorized and they have higher priority than you.
Ever see a Captain deny a Fed? No way and you never will.
Get over yourselves.
08-24-2015, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
And how many pilots have used the jumpseat for vacationing? Saw lots of that going to Hawaii and Alaska.
FAA inspectors are authorized to ride the jumpseat to conduct route checks. Doesn't matter if they're GA or whatever. They're authorized and they have higher priority than you.
Ever see a Captain deny a Fed? No way and you never will.
Get over yourselves.
FAA inspectors are authorized to ride the jumpseat to conduct route checks. Doesn't matter if they're GA or whatever. They're authorized and they have higher priority than you.
Ever see a Captain deny a Fed? No way and you never will.
Get over yourselves.
08-24-2015, 10:33 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Packrat
And how many pilots have used the jumpseat for vacationing? Saw lots of that going to Hawaii and Alaska.
FAA inspectors are authorized to ride the jumpseat to conduct route checks. Doesn't matter if they're GA or whatever. They're authorized and they have higher priority than you.
Ever see a Captain deny a Fed? No way and you never will.
Get over yourselves.
FAA inspectors are authorized to ride the jumpseat to conduct route checks. Doesn't matter if they're GA or whatever. They're authorized and they have higher priority than you.
Ever see a Captain deny a Fed? No way and you never will.
Get over yourselves.
08-24-2015, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
And how many pilots have used the jumpseat for vacationing? Saw lots of that going to Hawaii and Alaska.
FAA inspectors are authorized to ride the jumpseat to conduct route checks. Doesn't matter if they're GA or whatever. They're authorized and they have higher priority than you.
Ever see a Captain deny a Fed? No way and you never will.
Get over yourselves.
FAA inspectors are authorized to ride the jumpseat to conduct route checks. Doesn't matter if they're GA or whatever. They're authorized and they have higher priority than you.
Ever see a Captain deny a Fed? No way and you never will.
Get over yourselves.
I too have seen it, ATL-->DFW.
Luckily, the gate agent noticed and told me the FAA guy wasn't a Safety Inspector. I had higher priority as a pilot commuting home than he did, doing 'whatever.'
I went back to the plane and told the captain about the situation; the FAA guy backed down and said he'd try another flight. (His first was an rj that cancelled.) Later, in flight, at my suggestion, the non-commuting captain checked Chapter 4 in the FOM. I was correct, lucky, and in the seat.
(Speaking of "get over yourselves," how's your buddy Mullis doing?
)DFW
08-24-2015, 11:30 AM
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The FAA does all currency training for General Aviation Inspectors out of Alliance Airport in Fort Worth. This means every quarter, about 700 non-airline regular FSDO inspectors need to get to DFW. They travel in the jumpseat legally because they are actually officially providing an observation report each time. Many of these people have never even seen the inside of an airline cockpit, though they are pilots. It is legal loophole they are exploiting. They did it in OKC too until AA got lawyers involved and filed suit.
I know all this because an FO I have flown with used to work over there....perhaps we should get the airlines involved. FYI though - I am DFW based and have yet to have one of these people on my JS. I thought maybe it wasn't that big of an issue until now.
I know all this because an FO I have flown with used to work over there....perhaps we should get the airlines involved. FYI though - I am DFW based and have yet to have one of these people on my JS. I thought maybe it wasn't that big of an issue until now.
08-24-2015, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
The FAA does all currency training for General Aviation Inspectors out of Alliance Airport in Fort Worth. This means every quarter, about 700 non-airline regular FSDO inspectors need to get to DFW. They travel in the jumpseat legally because they are actually officially providing an observation report each time. Many of these people have never even seen the inside of an airline cockpit, though they are pilots. It is legal loophole they are exploiting. They did it in OKC too until AA got lawyers involved and filed suit.
I know all this because an FO I have flown with used to work over there....perhaps we should get the airlines involved. FYI though - I am DFW based and have yet to have one of these people on my JS. I thought maybe it wasn't that big of an issue until now.
I know all this because an FO I have flown with used to work over there....perhaps we should get the airlines involved. FYI though - I am DFW based and have yet to have one of these people on my JS. I thought maybe it wasn't that big of an issue until now.
08-24-2015, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Ever see a Captain deny a Fed? No way and you never will.
Get over yourselves.
You spend any time in the left seat? Deny a Fed no way? Never will? The Captain controls that seat without exception. Now, the only reason I'm challenging your words are simple: Captains authority cannot be abrogated - by anyone - even the FAA. If the PIC believes, and can articulate if needed, his or her reasons for the refusal - then that's his or her call. Period.
08-24-2015, 11:50 AM
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Call it butt hurt if you want. The DFW commuters have been dealing with this for months and are ****ed. Both the Delta and AA pilots I have talked with. This needs to be handled like the OKC issue was. 700 a quarter not buying govt. tickets is also a revenue hit to the airlines. Thanks for that info.
