Allegiant Air
07-04-2016, 10:46 AM
#3471
Kabuki Kool
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: fu3king.airline@Furlough. DNA
Posts: 447
Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
And that doesn't even touch on:
-Having to call after a RSV assignment for release while they have up to an hour to reassign you something. Thats not even 117 legal from what I can see. I set the brake I'm done FDP-wise.
-Dropped for IOE (ROE obligation) doesn't limit you to your original trip duty footprint nor can you just refuse it anymore.
-Positive contact is spelled out very well and many are concerned it's too vague and no better than now.
-Base fleet transition is now a system wide bid rather than base first.
-Equipment lock language is contradictory.
This is just off the top of my head so far. The language is SUPER WEAK. For three years we've been promised a contract we can be proud of and that raises the bar. I'm sorry, but this TA as it stands is NOT that contract and why I'm a solid NO VOTE.
-Having to call after a RSV assignment for release while they have up to an hour to reassign you something. Thats not even 117 legal from what I can see. I set the brake I'm done FDP-wise.
-Dropped for IOE (ROE obligation) doesn't limit you to your original trip duty footprint nor can you just refuse it anymore.
-Positive contact is spelled out very well and many are concerned it's too vague and no better than now.
-Base fleet transition is now a system wide bid rather than base first.
-Equipment lock language is contradictory.
This is just off the top of my head so far. The language is SUPER WEAK. For three years we've been promised a contract we can be proud of and that raises the bar. I'm sorry, but this TA as it stands is NOT that contract and why I'm a solid NO VOTE.
07-04-2016, 11:38 AM
#3472
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 34
Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
We went from 300 pilots to over 700 & you're saying their promises of growth last time were bogus?
07-04-2016, 12:44 PM
#3473
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: sitting facing south
Posts: 23
Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
And that doesn't even touch on:
[B]-Having to call after a RSV assignment for release while they have up to an hour to reassign you something. Thats not even 117 legal from what I can see. I set the brake I'm done FDP-wise.
[B]-Having to call after a RSV assignment for release while they have up to an hour to reassign you something. Thats not even 117 legal from what I can see. I set the brake I'm done FDP-wise.
If you try and claim that your rest the night before was predicated on a short easy day and that you're fatigued, they'll require a fatigue report and ask why you were not fulled rested for a complete FDP period.
Good luck everyone.
07-04-2016, 01:12 PM
#3474
Gets Tue/Wed and Sat Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 551
Originally Posted by ColdChicken
Wrong, unfortunately. You're not the first airline to require reservists to call upon landing. It has been interpreted as your FDP was extended without you knowing, your call is just to remind the company to notify you. You don't need to know of your additional flying while in flight, and your approval in not required until 117 extension is required.
If you try and claim that your rest the night before was predicated on a short easy day and that you're fatigued, they'll require a fatigue report and ask why you were not fulled rested for a complete FDP period.
Good luck everyone.
If you try and claim that your rest the night before was predicated on a short easy day and that you're fatigued, they'll require a fatigue report and ask why you were not fulled rested for a complete FDP period.
Good luck everyone.
And you can call in fatigued at any time. As long as it's not predicted. I was fully rested when I started my FDP and good to go for the day. I can't predict whether I'll be fatigued or not at the end of it.
07-04-2016, 04:26 PM
#3475
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,061
Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
Well that may be, but I have an FAA interpretation that says nothing about being able to extend me without notification. Until I see that in writing, without notification prior my FDP ends when I set the brake. Long story short, I'm not accepting a RSV assignment extension.
And you can call in fatigued at any time. As long as it's not predicted. I was fully rested when I started my FDP and good to go for the day. I can't predict whether I'll be fatigued or not at the end of it.
And you can call in fatigued at any time. As long as it's not predicted. I was fully rested when I started my FDP and good to go for the day. I can't predict whether I'll be fatigued or not at the end of it.
07-04-2016, 04:37 PM
#3476
Gets Tue/Wed and Sat Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 551
Originally Posted by CBreezy
There is a FAA LOI that states that, essentially, you can be reassigned as much as the company would like up to your FDP max. They queried the setting brake and being done scenario but determined if your CBA states that the company has up to an hour to reassign you, it is legal per 117. Read the Marc Anderson-Teamsters LOI from 2014
At least one of the decent spots of this TA says they can't extend you more than 4 hours past the end of your trip pairing. So there's not much, if anything really, they can assign a person. And if they try and you just happen to be too tired at that point to continue, oh well.
07-04-2016, 04:51 PM
#3477
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Position: AB
Posts: 292
Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
That's actually the exact letter I was referring to. After reading it again in this context I can see where you're coming from. I don't know that I agree with it, but it does actually appear you can be held on FDP without notification prior to setting the brake. Just one more reason I don't like the TA language making you call in to be released. Now we just walk off the plane and are done.
At least one of the decent spots of this TA says they can't extend you more than 4 hours past the end of your trip pairing. So there's not much, if anything really, they can assign a person. And if they try and you just happen to be too tired at that point to continue, oh well.
At least one of the decent spots of this TA says they can't extend you more than 4 hours past the end of your trip pairing. So there's not much, if anything really, they can assign a person. And if they try and you just happen to be too tired at that point to continue, oh well.
07-05-2016, 07:53 AM
#3478
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2005
Posts: 442
Originally Posted by labbats
I understand the idea that we have weak work rules on this TA. Bear in mind what we do get beyond the pay.
Here is what I will get beyond pay...
4 weeks vacation
Around 150 hours sick time in year one
10% 401k
Solid merger protection
Scope
200% Mission Mode (and the ability to pick it up again now that we have a TA)
Home Study pay
12 guaranteed days off 9 months of the year
Better and cheaper insurance
Lineholder can't be placed on reserve
Band system gone
Keep 130% override after 81 hours
2/1 trip rigs
4hr min pay overnights
Training Pay now 4 hours instead of $80
Profit Sharing
Look I get that our work rules are bad in many places, but I'm tired of hearing it's all pay and no work rules. There are indeed benefits beyond pay so this is not the same as our buy out to reject ALPA.
Here is what I will get beyond pay...
4 weeks vacation
Around 150 hours sick time in year one
10% 401k
Solid merger protection
Scope
200% Mission Mode (and the ability to pick it up again now that we have a TA)
Home Study pay
12 guaranteed days off 9 months of the year
Better and cheaper insurance
Lineholder can't be placed on reserve
Band system gone
Keep 130% override after 81 hours
2/1 trip rigs
4hr min pay overnights
Training Pay now 4 hours instead of $80
Profit Sharing
Look I get that our work rules are bad in many places, but I'm tired of hearing it's all pay and no work rules. There are indeed benefits beyond pay so this is not the same as our buy out to reject ALPA.
You forgot DH pay.
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