Spirit of NKS, Part II
#4651
I lived in NYC for a while so I realize how expensive it is but I'd never pay that much to live in Jersey. I'm kidding. I Didn't figure living in Jersey was that expensive.
#4652
Chimpy didn't mention the 6.37% state income tax rate either. If you make $150,000, Uncle Chris takes $10,000 of it.
#4653
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The only base we have where $80k can support a family of 4 in a good school district (or a bad school district and send them to private school) is Dallas.
Our FOs also don't make $80k unless they bypass upgrade.
A 3rd year fo makes $67k on guarantee
A 2nd year fo makes $62k
You need to be a 6 yr fo to break $80k
A United 6 yr Airbus fo is making $132k and getting over $21k just from the company into his 401k as well as an unknown profit sharing check.
A United 3rd yr fo makes $123k and $19k into his 401k
So a 3rd year United fo gets a larger dollar amount put into his 401k than ANY spirit pilot under the age of 50 no matter how much they made.
Our FOs also don't make $80k unless they bypass upgrade.
A 3rd year fo makes $67k on guarantee
A 2nd year fo makes $62k
You need to be a 6 yr fo to break $80k
A United 6 yr Airbus fo is making $132k and getting over $21k just from the company into his 401k as well as an unknown profit sharing check.
A United 3rd yr fo makes $123k and $19k into his 401k
So a 3rd year United fo gets a larger dollar amount put into his 401k than ANY spirit pilot under the age of 50 no matter how much they made.
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The only base we have where $80k can support a family of 4 in a good school district (or a bad school district and send them to private school) is Dallas.
Our FOs also don't make $80k unless they bypass upgrade.
A 3rd year fo makes $67k on guarantee
A 2nd year fo makes $62k
You need to be a 6 yr fo to break $80k
A United 6 yr Airbus fo is making $132k and getting over $21k just from the company into his 401k as well as an unknown profit sharing check.
A United 3rd yr fo makes $123k and $19k into his 401k
So a 3rd year United fo gets a larger dollar amount put into his 401k than ANY spirit pilot under the age of 50 no matter how much they made.
Our FOs also don't make $80k unless they bypass upgrade.
A 3rd year fo makes $67k on guarantee
A 2nd year fo makes $62k
You need to be a 6 yr fo to break $80k
A United 6 yr Airbus fo is making $132k and getting over $21k just from the company into his 401k as well as an unknown profit sharing check.
A United 3rd yr fo makes $123k and $19k into his 401k
So a 3rd year United fo gets a larger dollar amount put into his 401k than ANY spirit pilot under the age of 50 no matter how much they made.
#4655
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You have to compare straight guarantee simply because it's the only hard number you can count on at any airline. Too many variables otherwise to make a fair comparison.
You also can't vote on a contract based on working X amount over guarantee or getting X JAs. Even if one can hold a big transition conflict every month it doesn't mean they will make over guarantee even if they want to. What if there is no open time to pick up over that conflict? That's at the whim of management.
#4656
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It's like this is everyone's first airline. Did you really think management was going to just give us a 50% raise on our amendable date?
It's a growing airline that sells it's own tickets and makes lots of money. Should you apply elsewhere, maybe... but it's not all doom and gloom.
It's a growing airline that sells it's own tickets and makes lots of money. Should you apply elsewhere, maybe... but it's not all doom and gloom.
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The only base we have where $80k can support a family of 4 in a good school district (or a bad school district and send them to private school) is Dallas.
Our FOs also don't make $80k unless they bypass upgrade.
A 3rd year fo makes $67k on guarantee
A 2nd year fo makes $62k
You need to be a 6 yr fo to break $80k
A United 6 yr Airbus fo is making $132k and getting over $21k just from the company into his 401k as well as an unknown profit sharing check.
A United 3rd yr fo makes $123k and $19k into his 401k
So a 3rd year United fo gets a larger dollar amount put into his 401k than ANY spirit pilot under the age of 50 no matter how much they made.
Our FOs also don't make $80k unless they bypass upgrade.
A 3rd year fo makes $67k on guarantee
A 2nd year fo makes $62k
You need to be a 6 yr fo to break $80k
A United 6 yr Airbus fo is making $132k and getting over $21k just from the company into his 401k as well as an unknown profit sharing check.
A United 3rd yr fo makes $123k and $19k into his 401k
So a 3rd year United fo gets a larger dollar amount put into his 401k than ANY spirit pilot under the age of 50 no matter how much they made.
#4658
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(1) DTW - 11 months (8 from now)
(2) FLL - 12 months (9 from now)
(3) ORD - 13 months (10 from now)
(4) LAS - 14 months (11 from now)
(5) DFW - 17 months (14 from now)
(6) ACY - 21 months (18 from now)
* My calculation disregards senior FOs that seem to not be bidding for one reason or another.
** Calculation does not take into account past, current, or future aircraft deliveries or delays.
#4659
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Here is my calculation of reserve time for each base, shortest to longest:
(1) DTW - 11 months (8 from now)
(2) FLL - 12 months (9 from now)
(3) ORD - 13 months (10 from now)
(4) LAS - 14 months (11 from now)
(5) DFW - 17 months (14 from now)
(6) ACY - 21 months (18 from now)
* My calculation disregards senior FOs that seem to not be bidding for one reason or another.
** Calculation does not take into account past, current, or future aircraft deliveries or delays.
(1) DTW - 11 months (8 from now)
(2) FLL - 12 months (9 from now)
(3) ORD - 13 months (10 from now)
(4) LAS - 14 months (11 from now)
(5) DFW - 17 months (14 from now)
(6) ACY - 21 months (18 from now)
* My calculation disregards senior FOs that seem to not be bidding for one reason or another.
** Calculation does not take into account past, current, or future aircraft deliveries or delays.
#4660
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ACY is the most junior, DFW the most senior. That said, ACY has very few lines, so it might take a while there. DTW might be your best bet at the quickest line (best W.A.G., 3-4 months to a relief line or **** line??). Don't get yourself wrapped up by some of the posters here. They clearly have nothing else better to do...
Here is my calculation of reserve time for each base, shortest to longest:
(1) DTW - 11 months (8 from now)
(2) FLL - 12 months (9 from now)
(3) ORD - 13 months (10 from now)
(4) LAS - 14 months (11 from now)
(5) DFW - 17 months (14 from now)
(6) ACY - 21 months (18 from now)
* My calculation disregards senior FOs that seem to not be bidding for one reason or another.
** Calculation does not take into account past, current, or future aircraft deliveries or delays.
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