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Old 03-17-2016, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy View Post
Are you kidding me?

My 20 year old 2,600 sqft house with .19acres cost me $375,000 and the taxes are $11,000 a year. Day care is $800/month PER KID.

Are you out of your mind?

$80,000 is POVERTY in NJ
I lived in NYC for a while so I realize how expensive it is but I'd never pay that much to live in Jersey. I'm kidding. I Didn't figure living in Jersey was that expensive.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PikeAV8R View Post
I lived in NYC for a while so I realize how expensive it is but I'd never pay that much to live in Jersey. I'm kidding. I Didn't figure living in Jersey was that expensive.
Chimpy didn't mention the 6.37% state income tax rate either. If you make $150,000, Uncle Chris takes $10,000 of it.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:26 AM
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The only base we have where $80k can support a family of 4 in a good school district (or a bad school district and send them to private school) is Dallas.

Our FOs also don't make $80k unless they bypass upgrade.

A 3rd year fo makes $67k on guarantee
A 2nd year fo makes $62k

You need to be a 6 yr fo to break $80k

A United 6 yr Airbus fo is making $132k and getting over $21k just from the company into his 401k as well as an unknown profit sharing check.

A United 3rd yr fo makes $123k and $19k into his 401k

So a 3rd year United fo gets a larger dollar amount put into his 401k than ANY spirit pilot under the age of 50 no matter how much they made.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
The only base we have where $80k can support a family of 4 in a good school district (or a bad school district and send them to private school) is Dallas.

Our FOs also don't make $80k unless they bypass upgrade.

A 3rd year fo makes $67k on guarantee
A 2nd year fo makes $62k

You need to be a 6 yr fo to break $80k

A United 6 yr Airbus fo is making $132k and getting over $21k just from the company into his 401k as well as an unknown profit sharing check.

A United 3rd yr fo makes $123k and $19k into his 401k

So a 3rd year United fo gets a larger dollar amount put into his 401k than ANY spirit pilot under the age of 50 no matter how much they made.
I agree our pay is a joke but where in Gods name are you coming up with these numbers? I made 88k the year prior to upgrade (3rd year pay) flying my lines plus two JA for the year.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by nkbux View Post
I agree our pay is a joke but where in Gods name are you coming up with these numbers? I made 88k the year prior to upgrade (3rd year pay) flying my lines plus two JA for the year.
3rd year is 77.73 X 72hrs X 12 months = $67,158.72. The United numbers were figured on the same guarantee. Sure we have lines over 72hrs and so do they but that's not guaranteed money by any stretch and can't be built into a family budget. JA, and any open time for that matter is completely at the whim of management and requires working on ones day off.

You have to compare straight guarantee simply because it's the only hard number you can count on at any airline. Too many variables otherwise to make a fair comparison.

You also can't vote on a contract based on working X amount over guarantee or getting X JAs. Even if one can hold a big transition conflict every month it doesn't mean they will make over guarantee even if they want to. What if there is no open time to pick up over that conflict? That's at the whim of management.
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Old 03-17-2016, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by daves View Post
It's like this is everyone's first airline. Did you really think management was going to just give us a 50% raise on our amendable date?

It's a growing airline that sells it's own tickets and makes lots of money. Should you apply elsewhere, maybe... but it's not all doom and gloom.
I, too, have a hard time understanding why the same labor/management issues that happen at every other airline are somehow some big shock and surprise here. To quote the great philosopher Hyman Roth, "This is the business we chose!"
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Old 03-17-2016, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
The only base we have where $80k can support a family of 4 in a good school district (or a bad school district and send them to private school) is Dallas.

Our FOs also don't make $80k unless they bypass upgrade.

A 3rd year fo makes $67k on guarantee
A 2nd year fo makes $62k

You need to be a 6 yr fo to break $80k

A United 6 yr Airbus fo is making $132k and getting over $21k just from the company into his 401k as well as an unknown profit sharing check.

A United 3rd yr fo makes $123k and $19k into his 401k

So a 3rd year United fo gets a larger dollar amount put into his 401k than ANY spirit pilot under the age of 50 no matter how much they made.
Or Detroit.... Or Chicago if you live in Wisconsin.
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Old 03-17-2016, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hou757 View Post
Can most new hires expect to hold DFW if wanted fairly soon after training? Any new rumors on an IAH base this year?
Here is my calculation of reserve time for each base, shortest to longest:
(1) DTW - 11 months (8 from now)
(2) FLL - 12 months (9 from now)
(3) ORD - 13 months (10 from now)
(4) LAS - 14 months (11 from now)
(5) DFW - 17 months (14 from now)
(6) ACY - 21 months (18 from now)
* My calculation disregards senior FOs that seem to not be bidding for one reason or another.
** Calculation does not take into account past, current, or future aircraft deliveries or delays.
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Old 03-17-2016, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RJRJ View Post
Here is my calculation of reserve time for each base, shortest to longest:
(1) DTW - 11 months (8 from now)
(2) FLL - 12 months (9 from now)
(3) ORD - 13 months (10 from now)
(4) LAS - 14 months (11 from now)
(5) DFW - 17 months (14 from now)
(6) ACY - 21 months (18 from now)
* My calculation disregards senior FOs that seem to not be bidding for one reason or another.
** Calculation does not take into account past, current, or future aircraft deliveries or delays.
That's reserve time. I'll have to find my calculations on when a new hire can hold a base, my whole class was placed in ACY on day 1 and we were all able to hold FLL by the end of IOE. A few of us are expecting to hold DTW soon. Thats the Jan 4 class.
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Old 03-17-2016, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility View Post
ACY is the most junior, DFW the most senior. That said, ACY has very few lines, so it might take a while there. DTW might be your best bet at the quickest line (best W.A.G., 3-4 months to a relief line or **** line??). Don't get yourself wrapped up by some of the posters here. They clearly have nothing else better to do...
I did the math based on April bid sheets..
Here is my calculation of reserve time for each base, shortest to longest:
(1) DTW - 11 months (8 from now)
(2) FLL - 12 months (9 from now)
(3) ORD - 13 months (10 from now)
(4) LAS - 14 months (11 from now)
(5) DFW - 17 months (14 from now)
(6) ACY - 21 months (18 from now)
* My calculation disregards senior FOs that seem to not be bidding for one reason or another.
** Calculation does not take into account past, current, or future aircraft deliveries or delays.
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