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Old 02-06-2016, 10:29 AM
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Only speaking for 145, quiet cockpit!?! I guess my memory is different. DING DING DING cause I shut the engines down? GONG GONG GONG HI STEVE.

Yep glad that's over...
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe View Post
Honestly my point was to give my impression of the jet for the DL guys wondering about it, not to start a peeing match. It seems like you're a recent DL hire from ExpressJet; congrats on an awesome new gig.
Thanks. I was very fortunate. Not my intention to start a pee fight either.

Your comparisons to the 145 don't hold up though. I came into the right seat of the 190 from 5 years in the 145 as my perspective point, fwiw.

The 145 seats are better than the 190. Embraer tried to make the 190 seats fancier and missed the mark in the most important areas. JetBlue hasn't replaced the seats with redesigned contours and cushions 4 times in 10 years because they love throwing money at us!
Wow, that's surprising! I would never have described the 145 seats as better than anything. I mean, they we're comfortable enough up till about hour #2 then my ass always started to hurt and had me begging to do a walk-around. I will say, being able to slide back, recline the seat back and put your legs up under the dash on the "hump" was pretty comfortable, especially if you're a lanky goon like me.

Go ahead and try using the same energy management techniques in a 190 as you did in the 145 and get back to me on the snark. Be sure to study up on your go-around profile while you're at it. The airfoil drag characteristics and the anti-ice thrust bump are drastically different on the two jets. As a different reference point, I can easily stabilize an aggressive approach profile on a much heavier 320 or 321 that would cause a guaranteed go-around in the 190. The 145? If you could see the runway you can hit it, and spooled up to boot.
That's fair. Snark is about all I am good at these days. ...I don't get invited to a lot of parties...

My point was that all aircraft have quirks like that. It's just something you adapt to as a pilot learn how to manage. Without any experience on the 190, I will say that the 145 had one of the worst anti-ice power bumps that I have seen. Nothing like trying to descend into ORD on an ILS in the ice with approach screaming at you to slow to 160. Only choice you really had was to put the gear out.

And as was already said, why FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do the packs on Embraers reset to FULL COLD after the anti-ice cycles!??!?!?!

For the other guys, I did just think of something else I like about the jet: awesome brakes. Flaps full/max reverse/medium brakes and she'll happily stop in 3000 feet with no drama. Overall after flying the jet for 6 years my over-riding impression was of a not-quite-finished product; she's a good idea that was never engineered properly. Don't forget your ANC headset if you bid over; QC15s and A20s were popular with our guys that didn't use the ship-sets. I just flew with an FO in FIFI who had me try out his DCPRO and it's making me reconsider going "topless" in the 320 on shorter legs. All the noise cancelling I remember from the Sennheisers without the squeezed-head feeling. Good luck...
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 View Post
Only speaking for 145, quiet cockpit!?! I guess my memory is different. DING DING DING cause I shut the engines down? GONG GONG GONG HI STEVE.

Yep glad that's over...
Agreed. That plane dings for everything! Probably my biggest complaint.

*DING* HYD SYS 1-2 INOP. I know. I turned the hydraulic pumps off.
*DING* RUDDER SYS 1-2 INOP. I know!!! They're on the hydraulic system...WHICH I JUST TURNED OFF!
*DING* AILERON SYS 1-2 INOP. YGTBFSM!!! I know! We're at the gate! I turned the hydraulics off!

Imagine that every time you shut the plane down. Every leg. Is that something the 190 still does or did Embraer fix that?
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Old 02-07-2016, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy View Post
Agreed. That plane dings for everything! Probably my biggest complaint.

*DING* HYD SYS 1-2 INOP. I know. I turned the hydraulic pumps off.
*DING* RUDDER SYS 1-2 INOP. I know!!! They're on the hydraulic system...WHICH I JUST TURNED OFF!
*DING* AILERON SYS 1-2 INOP. YGTBFSM!!! I know! We're at the gate! I turned the hydraulics off!

Imagine that every time you shut the plane down. Every leg. Is that something the 190 still does or did Embraer fix that?
The 190 does not do that.
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:23 PM
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All the talk I've heard is that the 190 is going to be Seattle based. Seems like LAX would get a base also. Anybody hear any rumors lately? Last i heard was a couple of newsletters ago.
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Old 02-16-2016, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 4fans View Post
All the talk I've heard is that the 190 is going to be Seattle based. Seems like LAX would get a base also. Anybody hear any rumors lately? Last i heard was a couple of newsletters ago.
Latest info is SEA base w/ line ops starting appx Jan 2017 and first bids into category June/July this year timeframe. Thats all thats been made official with this "new" deal on the 190s. During the TA voting window last summer there were plans for more 190s from somewhere else and the plan then was to pull the 717 back east and fill in w the 190s- implied LAX base and possible SLC base. Nothing on that topic since last summer though to my knowledge.
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Old 02-16-2016, 01:50 PM
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Have fun. Only airplane I despised more was the F-100.
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Old 02-16-2016, 03:54 PM
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Have fun. Only airplane I despised more was the F-100.
Why is that?
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Old 02-16-2016, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 4fans View Post
I agree the company will have a hard time staffing them with senior pilots but if new guys don't bid it they will just stick new hires in it.
If the company assigns a new hire to it, is there still a 2yr. seat lock?

The best way to negotiate a higher pay rate would be for NOBODY to bid it, make the company assign every pilot in each seat, and then have them bail out of it ASAP, keep the training churn to a maximum, and see just how long the company can keep that up before they come to their senses and raise the pay.
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Originally Posted by Timbo View Post
If the company assigns a new hire to it, is there still a 2yr. seat lock?

The best way to negotiate a higher pay rate would be for NOBODY to bid it, make the company assign every pilot in each seat, and then have them bail out of it ASAP, keep the training churn to a maximum, and see just how long the company can keep that up before they come to their senses and raise the pay.
The 2 year seat lock was part of the failed TA. Pretty sure it's still a one year freeze.
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