4fans

I have a feeling the pay will get fixed. At least to the point where a 2nd year guy would take A pay to Drive to work. Bound to be a lot of low staffing and green slippage on an undesirable fleet.

MikeF16

I'm sure they will fill the captain positions, but it will either be junior or guys who liked the plane when they flew it at the regionals. At 3 years 7erB and 190A are earning the same pay rate, and past that the ER pulls away.

The FO side will be much different. FOs on the 190 don't get a pay raise year 2; and the pay scale is utter crap after that (year 2 717 FOs make more than 12+ on the 190), so figure the 190 will be a revolving door of new FOs straight out of indoc which means every captain will be a de-facto LCP without the override. In SEA there is no way I'd bid it -- way too expensive up there. Even if it came to ATL I would not bid it at the current rate.

Hopefully our union is smart enough to NOT give the company a LOA to fix the rate while we are negotiating. Filling the FO side of this plane is going to be a problem for the company.

4fans

You have a point there. However, 20 planes is gonna require how many FO's? 140? 160? Let's say 250. They can fill the FO's Ina few months of hiring. Certainly as fast as they can put the planes online.

New hires next winter should expect the 190 I guess.

FirstClass

Is year 1 captain pay higher than FO pay for all years and all equipment? I think that's how it is over at American on the 190.

300SMK

We aren't AAL. This place is truly unique

Maddogflier

The first intro into service is over a year away. Everyone knows the minimum rate will be the TA15 rate. They also know there will be retro pay to that rate and I am sure the company will make that known. Pilots will bid it based on those rates.

Al Czervik

Do you understand what he is asking?

formerdal

Hopefully the union will NOT do a side letter for 190 pay! Not until the whole contract is done to our satisfaction.

4fans

Even with the TA2015 Rates for the 190, they are still 20-25k per year behind the 717. That seems pretty darn low. Am I looking at the wrong rates?

XtremeF150

Except you guys like to tell us how long it is going to take. Well over a year right? Will it be TA16 or 17? Personally I don't care but the point is they may be staffing this thing before the new rates are published. Good luck. Ill keep my right seat Maddog bid, it is actually a paycut right now to the left seat of that plane.