Realistic First/Second Year Pay
04-22-2016, 09:10 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
Delta working 80 hours a month.
4K take home + per diem
Second year 5.5K
Taxes based on family of 4 in a state with 4.35 tax
4K take home + per diem
Second year 5.5K
Taxes based on family of 4 in a state with 4.35 tax
04-23-2016, 04:02 AM
#12
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Position: Guppy gear slinger
Posts: 26
Originally Posted by FTFF
With several of us in negotiations I don't think it's good strategy to post compensation numbers for the media and corporations to feed on. Best option is to make a few calls to buddies you know at whatever outfit you are interested in and ask them what their last few pay checks were like. Also, first year pay is a ship show everywhere, better to concentrate on year 2 onwards for an honest comparison and try to factor in things like profit sharing and number of days working, etc.
Didn't Kit Darby used to have all this information...?
Didn't Kit Darby used to have all this information...?
04-23-2016, 04:19 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by velosnow
As a current regional captain hoping to move on, I wanted to start a thread on realistic take home pay for those aspiring to move on to the legacies & majors. There are of course the calculators and hourly data on this site, but between various nuances of bases/aircraft/staffing/etc, it would be neat to see some real world examples. With everyone's financial situations being different it can be challenging to have a solid idea of what the first year or two will hold.
It's fairly obvious that by year 3 or even 2 the pay is higher for even a hard working left seater at the regional level but I think good data would be great. So for those who have recently made the transition any data would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.
If we get some good data I'll update this post with running numbers of min/high/average and such. If it's a bad idea I'll go hide in my corner
It's fairly obvious that by year 3 or even 2 the pay is higher for even a hard working left seater at the regional level but I think good data would be great. So for those who have recently made the transition any data would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.
If we get some good data I'll update this post with running numbers of min/high/average and such. If it's a bad idea I'll go hide in my corner
Pick a place where your quality of life will be best. Suck it up for first or maybe 2nd year pay. You will be fine.
Just get out of regional.
Kit Darby is a scumbag POS.
04-23-2016, 04:39 AM
#14
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Position: NYC 7ER LCA
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020
That seems low, especially if you're on the guppy. At 80 hrs/mo you're looking at 103K gross. Even with state taxes as listed, it should be closer to 6.5K. Health insurance and personal contributions to a 401k/529/HSA or the like not included. Maybe your figure included these.
Yup 5% 401K is about $500 a month
Health insurance +hsa is $400 a month.
So we are about the same in the end
04-23-2016, 01:02 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by FTFF
With several of us in negotiations I don't think it's good strategy to post compensation numbers for the media and corporations to feed on. Best option is to make a few calls to buddies you know at whatever outfit you are interested in and ask them what their last few pay checks were like. Also, first year pay is a ship show everywhere, better to concentrate on year 2 onwards for an honest comparison and try to factor in things like profit sharing and number of days working, etc.
Didn't Kit Darby used to have all this information...?
Didn't Kit Darby used to have all this information...?
04-23-2016, 01:06 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo
Why do you need this data? Trying to pick where to go to offset your lavish regional captain lifestyle?
Pick a place where your quality of life will be best. Suck it up for first or maybe 2nd year pay. You will be fine.
Just get out of regional.
Kit Darby is a scumbag POS.
Pick a place where your quality of life will be best. Suck it up for first or maybe 2nd year pay. You will be fine.
Just get out of regional.
Kit Darby is a scumbag POS.
Step 1 is to be fortunate enough for the opportunity to interview of course. We were just wondering aloud the possibilities after that.
04-24-2016, 05:48 PM
#17
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Just finished year 1 at UAL.
Pre-tax total comp was (hourly rate + perdiem) ~86000
Majority of the year was at 68/HR with a bump to 79 in February.
Avg. perdiem ~800 per month.
Line holder for 5 months.
Had 2 months of training pay @90 hours of credit.
Year 2 will be much better. A blended 320 rate of 119.80$ plus hopefully a nice bonus check.
Year 3 is 142/HR. Sometime time in year 3 I should be able to hold west coast WB. Year 4 pay on the WB is ~190/HR.
Pre-tax total comp was (hourly rate + perdiem) ~86000
Majority of the year was at 68/HR with a bump to 79 in February.
Avg. perdiem ~800 per month.
Line holder for 5 months.
Had 2 months of training pay @90 hours of credit.
Year 2 will be much better. A blended 320 rate of 119.80$ plus hopefully a nice bonus check.
Year 3 is 142/HR. Sometime time in year 3 I should be able to hold west coast WB. Year 4 pay on the WB is ~190/HR.
Last edited by UALfoLIFE; 04-24-2016 at 06:04 PM.
04-25-2016, 08:27 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by Albief15
Second year Fedex Hong Kong pilots get $60,000 for housing, $15,000 for education allowance for kids (total, not per kid), and make $165/hour. With international override of 8 bucks its $173. Should be well over 200k with average hours...
I don't know a more lucrative year 2 deal but there may be some out there.
I don't know a more lucrative year 2 deal but there may be some out there.
04-25-2016, 06:01 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by DrunkIrishman
Lucrative is relative. The HKG FEX expat package is well below its peers in HKG. Something to seriously consider before taking the job there. Year two stateside should be the one used for comparison.
Year 10 FDX HK FO, yes FO.
Dec 31st check income from flying was 180,000 (again, flying, not counting per diem). Housing allowance was 60k. So for 2015, I made 240 K not counting per diem (but I hardly fly so that number would be tiny anyway). FO pay. But, it's year 10.
The days of lucrative HKG expat packages are kind of gone. Original CX (Cathay) guys got approx 10K USD per month for housing. That has long since passed and they are on a "C" scale now and people starting there today get less for housing than we (FDX) do. Lawyers and financial analysts for big firms vary as well.
Stateside Year 2 #'s as you requested would be:
Guy who works the min (approx 886 credit hours per yer):
Narrow body: 886 x 134 = 118 K
Wide body: 886 x 163 = 144 K
Average pilot credit is about 941 per year. I work much less. We are pretty flexible about dropping / conflicting trips. YMMV
04-25-2016, 06:09 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by skypine27
I'll bite.
Year 10 FDX HK FO, yes FO.
Dec 31st check income from flying was 180,000 (again, flying, not counting per diem). Housing allowance was 60k. So for 2015, I made 240 K not counting per diem (but I hardly fly so that number would be tiny anyway). FO pay. But, it's year 10.
The days of lucrative HKG expat packages are kind of gone. Original CX (Cathay) guys got approx 10K USD per month for housing. That has long since passed and they are on a "C" scale now and people starting there today get less for housing than we (FDX) do. Lawyers and financial analysts for big firms vary as well.
Stateside Year 2 #'s as you requested would be:
Guy who works the min (approx 886 credit hours per yer):
Narrow body: 886 x 134 = 118 K
Wide body: 886 x 163 = 144 K
Average pilot credit is about 941 per year. I work much less. We are pretty flexible about dropping / conflicting trips. YMMV
Year 10 FDX HK FO, yes FO.
Dec 31st check income from flying was 180,000 (again, flying, not counting per diem). Housing allowance was 60k. So for 2015, I made 240 K not counting per diem (but I hardly fly so that number would be tiny anyway). FO pay. But, it's year 10.
The days of lucrative HKG expat packages are kind of gone. Original CX (Cathay) guys got approx 10K USD per month for housing. That has long since passed and they are on a "C" scale now and people starting there today get less for housing than we (FDX) do. Lawyers and financial analysts for big firms vary as well.
Stateside Year 2 #'s as you requested would be:
Guy who works the min (approx 886 credit hours per yer):
Narrow body: 886 x 134 = 118 K
Wide body: 886 x 163 = 144 K
Average pilot credit is about 941 per year. I work much less. We are pretty flexible about dropping / conflicting trips. YMMV
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