Realistic First/Second Year Pay
04-25-2016, 06:52 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by beech2jet
I don't see how it's worth it to do the expat thing though unless you really like it over there. A 10 year 777/747 FO at UAL makes 240K as a line holder with 19 days off a month. No housing allowance needed and that doesn't include the 40K the company puts in the B fund. It all depends what you like I guess.
I have heard there are many people over there that love it. And many others that enjoy it for a number of years and then are ready to come back to the US. I would consider it just for the adventure if my dogs weren't such an important part of my family.
04-26-2016, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by skypine27
I'll bite.
Year 10 FDX HK FO, yes FO.
Dec 31st check income from flying was 180,000 (again, flying, not counting per diem). Housing allowance was 60k. So for 2015, I made 240 K not counting per diem (but I hardly fly so that number would be tiny anyway). FO pay. But, it's year 10.
The days of lucrative HKG expat packages are kind of gone. Original CX (Cathay) guys got approx 10K USD per month for housing. That has long since passed and they are on a "C" scale now and people starting there today get less for housing than we (FDX) do. Lawyers and financial analysts for big firms vary as well.
Stateside Year 2 #'s as you requested would be:
Guy who works the min (approx 886 credit hours per yer):
Narrow body: 886 x 134 = 118 K
Wide body: 886 x 163 = 144 K
Average pilot credit is about 941 per year. I work much less. We are pretty flexible about dropping / conflicting trips. YMMV
Year 10 FDX HK FO, yes FO.
Dec 31st check income from flying was 180,000 (again, flying, not counting per diem). Housing allowance was 60k. So for 2015, I made 240 K not counting per diem (but I hardly fly so that number would be tiny anyway). FO pay. But, it's year 10.
The days of lucrative HKG expat packages are kind of gone. Original CX (Cathay) guys got approx 10K USD per month for housing. That has long since passed and they are on a "C" scale now and people starting there today get less for housing than we (FDX) do. Lawyers and financial analysts for big firms vary as well.
Stateside Year 2 #'s as you requested would be:
Guy who works the min (approx 886 credit hours per yer):
Narrow body: 886 x 134 = 118 K
Wide body: 886 x 163 = 144 K
Average pilot credit is about 941 per year. I work much less. We are pretty flexible about dropping / conflicting trips. YMMV
I'm just saying that albie's expat comparison is not apples to apples with second year leagacy pay. All things considered, I would argue second year FEX HKG is worse than second year legacy because of the additional cost incurred living in Hong Kong. As an expat in HKG, certainly you know what I am talking about.
04-27-2016, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 18andLifeUgotIT
Yr 1 FO at Spirit. Will take home approx $24K. Not a typo. Twenty four thousand dollars after taxes and union dues.
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04-27-2016, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by beech2jet
I don't see how it's worth it to do the expat thing though unless you really like it over there. A 10 year 777/747 FO at UAL makes 240K as a line holder with 19 days off a month. No housing allowance needed and that doesn't include the 40K the company puts in the B fund. It all depends what you like I guess.
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