Spirit low tier pilots
#21
Actually profit margin at an all time high. No major incidents either so the airline is operating according to the LCC model. Pay just high enough that the operation still goes.
Lastly, what's changed. Last year pilots on this very board bragging about nk's profitability.
Everyone who thinks Mgt is dumb is missing the point of Mgmt. If you were an Investor would you want your CEO paying more than he needed to safely make planes go?
Lastly, what's changed. Last year pilots on this very board bragging about nk's profitability.
Everyone who thinks Mgt is dumb is missing the point of Mgmt. If you were an Investor would you want your CEO paying more than he needed to safely make planes go?
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 513
Actually profit margin at an all time high. No major incidents either so the airline is operating according to the LCC model. Pay just high enough that the operation still goes.
Lastly, what's changed. Last year pilots on this very board bragging about nk's profitability.
Everyone who thinks Mgt is dumb is missing the point of Mgmt. If you were an Investor would you want your CEO paying more than he needed to safely make planes go?
Lastly, what's changed. Last year pilots on this very board bragging about nk's profitability.
Everyone who thinks Mgt is dumb is missing the point of Mgmt. If you were an Investor would you want your CEO paying more than he needed to safely make planes go?
Here's the difference. We gave mgmt the benefit of the doubt because we were told by our weak MEC chairmen at the time that we were close to a T/A. Things have changed and their true colors have shown and our patience is about gone. Im not going to explain to you what happens next.
#25
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 4
Captain upgrade
Also, when this CEO says, we have the fastest captain upgrade, and that's why low compensations are justified, is completely false, and complete nonsense!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
#26
Also, when this CEO says, we have the fastest captain upgrade, and that's why low compensations are justified, is completely false, and complete nonsense!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
Assuming that you upgrade in 2.5 years, a 3rd year Captain in Spirit makes slightly ($10-20), more than a 3rd year FO in Legacies or even JB, SW or VA. But, how about the first two years that Spirit pays almost $40 less than others. When you do the math, even you upgrade as early as two years, you still don't break even with others, and you're still underpaid! Dear CEO, we maybe low tier, according to you, but, defiantly not stupid!!!!
One more thing! Do you guys know any flying school who trains LOW TIER pilot and it's really cheap?!!!!
#28
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 154
Dont worry, the legacies will have massive retirements and United needs 5,000 pilots over the next few years, Delta is taking more deliveries and will hire 800-1000 per year over the next few years, AA with more deliveries on the way and will hire 700-800 per year for awhile and new contracts with huge raises and QOL improvements, pretty soon everyone will just start to leave Spirit for a legacy job and Spirit management will start to panic a little bit and wont know what to do and be forced to improve the place to make it competitve just to keep pilots there
#29
Dont worry, the legacies will have massive retirements and United needs 5,000 pilots over the next few years, Delta is taking more deliveries and will hire 800-1000 per year over the next few years, AA with more deliveries on the way and will hire 700-800 per year for awhile and new contracts with huge raises and QOL improvements, pretty soon everyone will just start to leave Spirit for a legacy job and Spirit management will start to panic a little bit and wont know what to do and be forced to improve the place to make it competitve just to keep pilots there
#30
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,089
If I were at Spirit I wouldn't for a second think about leaving for a legacy. The Spirit model is absolutely fantastic and the way to go going forward, and the management understands this. Let's see, highest margin in the industry, fastest growth in the industry, great safety record, by almost all metrics your company is firing on all cylinders. The legacies especially AA are very hurt by your route network and a Frontier tie up will further strength it and also severely hurt UAL.
The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.
You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.
Keep your chins up.
The legacy cost structure will be their downfall, low oil prices are making the profits profitable now but moving forward they are going to get squeezed. Moving forward, their high cost international flights are going to see immense competition from the likes of NAI or copy cats. I actually like jetBlue over all the carriers out there, they have a great mix of lower cost and excellent service.
You guys may not pay the most right now but what about in the future? You're part of a growing company that has a solid business model. Keep in mind there was a time when UPS and FedEx was where the legacy wannabe's went. Same with SWA. Delta, yes even Delta for a time in the 80's was also a 2nd tier place where guys went to rot sitting sideways on the 727.
Keep your chins up.
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