busdriver12

I'm sure people working for commuter or nonprofitable airlines would be thrilled to have this, and those working for airlines they'll never leave would be completely against people getting hired behind them and jumping ahead in seniority. No newhires welcome here!

blastoff

Eliminate probation pay to make it hurt less to move laterally. That's about the only feasible improvement.

ShyGuy

DC8DRIVER

How about instituting a national seniority list only for pilots hired AFTER a certain date and within a particular union (ALPA or Teamsters)

For instance, all ALPA pilots hired AFTER January 1st 2017 would bring their seniority for pay and bidding purposes when they move from one ALPA carrier to another.

Pilots hired before that date would continue to operate under the same, lame system that we have today - unless they quit and get hired at a different airline after 01/01/17.

I dunno. just a thought ...

AZFlyer

One of the biggest downsides to the current seniority system is that if you leave one airline for another, the experience you bring to your new shop doesn't come with your pay that you worked your way up to attached to it. Many other 'professionals' in other industries can leave one company for another and negotiate a comparable or better wage, but that isn't possible in the airline world.

So...What if a NSL only had to do with where you are on the pay scale? Nothing to do with bidding bases, equipment, schedule, etc. That would all be company seniority just like today.

Being year X on the NSL gets you year X pay anywhere you are. Being year X on company SL gets whatever it holds at that company for non-pay items mentioned above. There is no unification in pay or benefits among airlines. Everything is the same as today, except where you sit on the payscale at your company is based off a master/national list.

No bumping people out of bases/equipment/schedules just by switching airlines.

Thoughts?

flyprdu

Our profession suffers from an issue of not being able to take your experience with you. Unlike any other job, you're thrown back to entry-level when you start with a new company.

My idea has always been that you get to take partial longevity with you. That way the hard-liners, hired in 1966, don't get upset. But it actually creates a more tolerable and mobile workforce.

Part of what has been holding back our contracts is that we're stuck with the airline we paired with at the beginning. Having the choice to leave and making it feasible to do so would empower us as employees and would drive up the overall quality of life in the industry.

Imagine if you could take 30% of your longevity to whatever carrier your chose? How would that impact your decision making to shop for a better job?

GogglesPisano

This. Everything else is mental masturbation (with pink unicorns.)

bozobigtop

I am against any sort of NSL for the simple fact this industry screws over employees royally such as leap frogging over someone else with less seniority at a survivor company. Life is a crap shoot and I for one would like for people on the outside to see how this industry really is without sugar coating it. I plan to ride this bi@@h into the ground!

FP15

Another stupid rehash of an old topic. Really? Ok, Yeah, great idea. A guy who has a job at one place loses money and seniority to another guy at another place? Sounds like communism. How about a better way to state it, I take your job and push you down? You ok with that? I can't believe this comes up, oh wait I can, the stupid idea of unions.

The Revenge

How about someone being able to sell their number. A guy at ABC carrier retires a month or two earlier because he sold his number to another pilot at ABC.
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