full of luv

Hence why all the ships that hit the ports are registered in Liberia....

Molon Labe

Nice try but no cigar....Did you ever see Captain Phillips?? Or ever heard of Matson Lines? And They make more money than we do....And national seniority or not the airlines ARE ALREADY trying flag of convenience in various forms so fight back or be a door mat...The fate remains the same.

Thunder1

National Seniority List -- ROFL LOL! : NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. But it is fun to discuss once every 5 years.

I'm all for it as long as military guys get to use the date they graduated from Pilot Training as their NSL hire date!!

That would put me immediately in the left seat at my airline and probably at somewhere around 50% seniority. Nice!

teddyballgame

'Nailed it, GF.

The NSL should have absolutely been a non-negotiable requirement for enactment of the Deregulation Act.

(And as somebody so perfectly put it, ALPA became obsolete the day that legislation was signed. From then on, it was every man for himself, the "union" be damned.)

Also, it probably would have been a lot easier for pilots to swallow it at that time (though not without the usual complaining).

Most airline pilots were pretty much in the same boat at that time, with regard to pay and QOL, thanks to the regulated environment (although I'm sure that many PAA and TWA pilots probably looked down their noses at OZA and MOH pilots).

And the kudzu-like spread of regional and low-cost carriers was still far in the future.

Not surprisingly, it was the pilots at the airlines that began to struggle post-Deregulation (TWA, PAA, BNF, EAL) that started calling for a NSL. And it was the pilots at the airlines that were growing like weeds thanks to Deregulation (PAI, AAA*) that wanted no part of it.

"Those old farts aren't coming over here and taking my seat!", was the battle-cry of the "boy captains" at the fast-growing major airlines.

Ironically -- and again, not surprisingly -- it was the pilots of that latter group of airlines, who had pooh-poohed the idea of a NSL in the late 80's, who were now clamoring for one in the post-9/11 stagnation and bankruptcy era.

IOW, that same PAI or AAA "boy captain", who didn't want the older PAA or TWA guy coming over and stealing his seat 20 years ago, now felt as if he should be entitled to waltz over to FEX or DAL and assume his place on their seniority lists, ahead of the younger pilots at those carriers.

As it was, is now, and ever shall be, the only thing that's "fair" with regard to seniority at any particular time is whatever happens to benefit me at that time.


* For our younger colleagues, AAA was the ALPA designator for the original Allegheny Airlines, later USAir and US Airways, right up until that carrier's separation from ALPA.

It stemmed from the airline's name at the time its pilots joined ALPA, which was All American Airways. PAI was the ALPA designator for the original Piedmont Airlines, which merged with USAir in 1988.

forgot to bid

Exactly. ^^^^^

flap

Thats fine, but then I get to use the date i received my ATP, not the date I actually got hired.

Probably should use the date I got my commercial which would give me a 1979 seniority date.

full of luv

I know the measure the company would use:

Who never calls in sick?

Who picks up max straight open time every month?

Who volunteers for extra admin jobs without extra pay...

Who agrees to extend their crew day without the company even asking?

JamesNoBrakes

So is that how you got hired in the first place?

And that's not meant to be personal, that's meant to show you that your airline can evaluate cannidates/prospective employees. I'm not sure why you think this is so impossible and that the entitlement system must be followed.

SpeedyVagabond

Amen. Here's a thought. Why would the airlines hire senior people who lost their jobs at another airline? Would that be part of the NSL - all NSL pilots must be hired before street hires? This is just one problem with it. It's never going to happen Comrades. Thank goodness.

Mesabah

The best job security in aviation is making sure you were born lucky.