Airbus Pilots - ground speed mini question
05-24-2016, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
We had it going out of FLL last night. We were going to Vegas, and at 163,000lbs were too heavy to use 28L at all, and could do 28R at Flaps 3, TOGA, and packs off.
05-24-2016, 07:21 PM
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This is PRECISELY why I don't read off the ZFW/TOCG to the captain. I want the captain to read it from the screen and enter it. As I am tearing off the TO data strip and folding it I am glancing at the data as he is entering it. By the time I've folded it he is entering the V speeds off the paper strip as I watch and verify.
Some captains seem to get a little peeved that I won't read it off until I point out "what if I read it off wrong?" I've trapped a few mistakes usually the wrong runway data. Let's both check it.
Some captains seem to get a little peeved that I won't read it off until I point out "what if I read it off wrong?" I've trapped a few mistakes usually the wrong runway data. Let's both check it.
05-24-2016, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
We had it going out of FLL last night. We were going to Vegas, and at 163,000lbs were too heavy to use 28L at all, and could do 28R at Flaps 3, TOGA, and packs off.
05-25-2016, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by coopervane
This is PRECISELY why I don't read off the ZFW/TOCG to the captain. I want the captain to read it from the screen and enter it. As I am tearing off the TO data strip and folding it I am glancing at the data as he is entering it. By the time I've folded it he is entering the V speeds off the paper strip as I watch and verify.
Some captains seem to get a little peeved that I won't read it off until I point out "what if I read it off wrong?" I've trapped a few mistakes usually the wrong runway data. Let's both check it.
Some captains seem to get a little peeved that I won't read it off until I point out "what if I read it off wrong?" I've trapped a few mistakes usually the wrong runway data. Let's both check it.
05-28-2016, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
If everyone else is flying indicated and my aircraft is changing indicated speed to target a groundspeed it seems this would affect time based separation standards - including those recently established as part of the new wake turbulence recat. Thoughts on this? Issues?
05-29-2016, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
Next question - performance churns out flaps 3 takeoff. CA incorrectly enters flaps 1 on FMS perf and I incorrectly set the flaps at 1. Company procedure requires comparing what's been entered to what's been set. But what if what's been entered is incorrect. I'm comparing two errors that happen to coincidentally correlate. So I guess two wrongs do make a perceived right? Will the aircraft catch the fact we have flaps 1 but require 3? Let's make it interesting and say this is Burbank with a flex takeoff.
The verification you're talking about happens during the Before Takeoff (to the line) checklist, but the actual verification of correct flap setting happens before engine start. My last company had the CA call out "flaps (x), taxi" (x is whatever the setting was for that TO). Just a small extra layer of SA. Wish we did that here.
Last edited by aewanabe; 05-29-2016 at 02:53 PM. Reason: More info
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