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Old 05-26-2016, 01:33 PM
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No you're not. You will have to pay an agency fee which is slightly less than Union dues. Why? Because you are benefitting from the pay/work rules in the Union negotiated contract.

You will not be able to vote for Reps or other issues since you are not a member.

Maybe you should only apply to non-Union carriers if you feel that strongly.
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Old 05-26-2016, 01:41 PM
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Nobody is forced to join a union in the U.S.
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If you are hired by a certain company then you are.
Wrong again.
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Old 05-26-2016, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop View Post
If want to take advantage of the benefits, then I should join the union. If I don't want the benefits, then I shouldn't be forced to join the union. It's about freedom of choice.

Yes the unions do and have done a lot of good things. They have also done a lot of very lousy things.

But people should be free to choose whether they want to join a union or not. No one should be forced to join a union just to get a job.

Forced unionism is slavery.
You come off as a cry baby, no better way to describe your attitude on here. Complaining about airline unions, first year pay at airlines, NYC being too expensive, your student loan interest rate...etc etc yada yada yada... This is clearly the wrong career choice for you. Especially considering you haven't even logged a minute of actual instrument time yet without an instructor next to you....long long way to go with already such a poor attitude.

Get off your soap box and listen to people who have something more than "Private Pilot-Single Engine" on their certificate; you have no idea about how unions work in the professional 121 world and to separate pay rates at an airline for union and non union pilots only reinforces managements desire to divide and conquer pilots.

You suggest "freedom of choice," so as others have said, work for a non union airline. If you want to fly part 121 in the US, there is 1 airline left, SkyWest. However by the time you have the minimums to get hired there, hopefully they will have voted in a recognized union by that point in time as well.

And as others have said, you are never forced to join a union if hired at a union job. Educate yourself.
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop View Post
If want to take advantage of the benefits, then I should join the union. If I don't want the benefits, then I shouldn't be forced to join the union. It's about freedom of choice.

Yes the unions do and have done a lot of good things. They have also done a lot of very lousy things.

But people should be free to choose whether they want to join a union or not. No one should be forced to join a union just to get a job.

Forced unionism is slavery.


If you don't want to work at union wages, but want to take the job anyway at lower wages, that's called ... um, there's a name for that ... let me see ....
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Old 05-26-2016, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop View Post
If you are hired by a certain company then you are.
Ever notice how all the formerly non-union airlines (Virgin, JetBlue...) always tend to eventually decide they want representation? Ever find an example of a vote that went the other way. See a trend? Ever wonder why?

Fear not, there's always Emirates. I'm sure your rugged individualism will be warmly welcomed there.
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Old 05-26-2016, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
If you don't want to work at union wages, but want to take the job anyway at lower wages, that's called ... um, there's a name for that ... let me see ....
https://youtu.be/ME48DbhIn_0
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Old 05-26-2016, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice View Post
Complaining about airline unions, first year pay at airlines
Low first year pay is caused by the unions.
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Old 05-26-2016, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop View Post
Low first year pay is caused by the unions.
So why is first year pay also low at non union 135 shops, and Skywest?
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Old 05-27-2016, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
So why is first year pay also low at non union 135 shops, and Skywest?
The real question is why do the unions allow the airlines low wages for FO's at the regionals? That's what they are there to prevent.
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Old 05-27-2016, 05:53 AM
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As long as there are people willing to accept those pay rates, the Companies will have no incentive to raise them. But I guess you haven't made the intellectual connection between the ads on this site offering regional jobs with signing bonuses.

Why am I not surprised?
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