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07-01-2016, 03:07 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Either way, I never mentioned that accident and my reply had nothing to do with it. You made the first reference to it in this entire thread in your last post.
07-01-2016, 03:11 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
The math works out, besides it won't be at that rate for very long.
I could not imagine having to fly a trip with you. You want to argue anything and everything with everyone. Nightmare
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07-01-2016, 03:24 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
25 years ago to get on with a regional airline, you had to have thousands of hours and in many cases PAY $15,000 or so to get hired. Hiring minimums weren't an issue because no one could come close to TOUCHING a job at a regional without a couple of thousand hours. Then you would be flying a 19 seat turboprop for about $17,000 a year. (My first regional was $9,000 a year). More recently things got out of whack with some 300 hour pilots suddenly finding themselves in the right seat of a regional jet with an ever expanding number of seats. If you found a weak captain, let's say one that had failed 5-6 checkrides, and paired them with one of these inexperienced pilots, you could easily find yourself in a horrible situation. Buffalo. Not good. Experience isn't everything, but it is a critical component to safe operation.
Major airlines are not having trouble filling classes. Occasionally someone won't show up because they accepted another offer, but there are plenty of applicants for the airlines that pay well.
Type less, learn more. Pilots getting into the game now have it better than any group in a generation.
Last question. When you read an accident report, do you think "That moron! I would never do that??" For some perspective, whenever I read an accident report, I think "Man, pay close attention to this because I really don't ever want to do that". That's the best lesson my 16,000+ hours has taught me.
07-01-2016, 03:46 PM
#75
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
The rule was put in place as a political knee jerk reaction to Colgan. It was based on nothing.
07-01-2016, 03:53 PM
#76
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Originally Posted by 50SeatsofGrey
Is it true he was the most bid avoided CA at L-US?
No. I flew with him for a month.
I've flown with captains that were on par with him professionally, but not many that had the complete package of good airman, good captain and that carried himself as well as him. Hopefully the vast majority of us would have had as successful outcome, I doubt many could have pulled off the PR stuff as well.
07-01-2016, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
It wasn't a political knee jerk.
Originally Posted by The Juice
"Math works out" that you cant afford to pay the loan for a few years and have to live with your parents? No, that math doesnt work out.
07-01-2016, 05:40 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
Of course it was. It had zero to do with the incident at hand. Were they sleep deprived and possibly not well trained? Yes. But both pilots were well above 1500TT
Over the long term, it does work out.
Over the long term, it does work out.
07-01-2016, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
But both pilots were well above 1500TT
Over the long term, it does work out.
Over the long term, it does work out.
What you don't seem to get is that airline flying doesn't build the basic foundational skill set every pilot requires. Those need to be well established before you ever set foot on the company property. You can't get them flying an airliner. Whatever you show up with is what you got. Your stick and rudder skills aren't going to magically improve when you spend most of the flight with the autopilot on and hand fly for a few minutes every other flight. Muscle memory and stick/rudder reflexes, cross-check, habit patterns, etc. all get ingrained as you gain experience prior to the airlines.
The Colgan captain didn't fire-wall his throttles and he pulled back on the yoke during a stall because he never had those skills in the first place. He probably would have done the same thing after another 5000 hours of mundane, autopilot airline flying. So, the fact that he had more than 1500 hours of flying when he crashed is irrelevant. How many hours he had and what his skills/experience was when he took that job in the first place is.
07-01-2016, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
Of course it was. It had zero to do with the incident at hand. Were they sleep deprived and possibly not well trained? Yes. But both pilots were well above 1500TT
Over the long term, it does work out.
Over the long term, it does work out.
Last edited by CBreezy; 07-01-2016 at 06:29 PM.
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