azdryheat

My wife's OBGYN dropped dead from a heart attack two weeks after delivering our daughter. He was 79. Still doing surgery up to the day before he died. Great guy.

puggle

Raising the retirement age would only cause more stagnation, and a likely hiring freeze at most airlines.

busdriver12

Just like it did the last time. And it's not like the regional pilots are going to want to stay in those cockpits until they're 80. If they need more pilots and want them to stay longer, raise the pay and make it a tolerable place to work.

jethikoki

Just have pilots that wish to continue working after age 65 move to a regional FO position. They should however have to be reinterviwed. Problem solved.

flyboyike

Actually, not only did I not miss your point, I (generally) agree with you. Both sides want to benefit themselves, it's all just selfishness on everybody's part.

Where I don't agree with you is in your assertion that "the juniors guys will make it up". I would say that some of then MAY make it up, IF all else in their career goes just right. The rest will spend the same amount at the top they would have otherwise (if they make it that far), but (like myself) would have spent an extra five extra years basically going nowhere (the definition of stagnation).

Again, it is what it is, I just don't see why the geezer's selfishness is somehow "better" than a junior guy's.

jethikoki

Moral high ground was given up years ago when mainlines gave up scope!

jethikoki

Just replace geezer's with mainline and junior with regional and you have the system we are dealing l with today.

Vital Signs

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Originally Posted by Vital Signs View Post
Why would the airlines want to raise the retirement age when all that does is extend them having to pay all of the top wage earners for more years(salary, pension, profit sharing and other forms of retirement income)?

New hires are less expensive.
And the pilot "shortage" bit is bull. There are plenty of qualified pilots willing to work at any of the majors. Just gotta pull the hr head out of the sand.

Packrat:
Duh. It's not the majors lobbying for the change. I see you haven't noticed the regionals paying bounties to get bits in the seats.

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I don't understand why this thread has so much life in it. Who's actively pushing to raise the age again? I just don't see it happening.

Packrat:
This time it isn't pilots, it's the airlines. Even the CEO of SWA has expressed concern that there won't be enough pilots. Some of the regionals are already cancelling flights due to lack of crews.

Face it, boys. This change will happen sooner than later.


You jumped on my comment and said the opposite then just said what i said.
Which is it Packrat?

AllenAllert

Make no mistake - I have a number of years till retirement at 65. I'd be willing to let any pilot EVER on our seniority list that was forced out because of the 60/65 age discrimination and still able to pass current physical and performance standards to return to the property will full seniority with the elimination of age discrimination. That should end the greed claim.

As far as moral high ground, the mainline pilots allowed the 19 seater pilots to move to the RJ's to form the groundwork to increase pay for all pilots especially the RJ guys. What did you do, you let the mainline and regional management whipsaw you guys against each other. Look at what you did to Air Wisconsin and Comair. They worked hard to increase pay and QOL and you guys undercut them with contracts that included lower pay and substandard work rules.

The ladder to the morale high ground is very tall - sure you can climb it.

RhinoBallAuto

Ummm.... I'm no AME, but I suspect someone who voluntarily moved from a major to a be an FO at a regional wouldn't qualify for a Class 1.