Toedrag

Where did I say anything about not liking the ups and downs?

Maybe I'm 63 and a half and hoping for a change so I can provide for my wife and kids after my first two wives left me. Or, maybe I'm a 35 year old hoping to get out of the regionals and on with a major soon.

Or, maybe none of the above and just reporting what I heard from a rep in an informative manner and not passing judgement one way or another if and when the change comes.

Thanks

Gunga Din

I, for one, hope they raise the age. Shouldn't be a cap anyway. If you can hold a medical and pass the training, then why not?

Not everyone's life unfolds exactly the way they planned it. Perhaps they need to keep going. Or want to. Why should I get out of my seat when I can still do my job? It's not like the rule won't benefit the young guys eventually.

vroll1800

vvv>> This. I'd add that I've read nothing about it making to a committee (Congressional or FAA), nor have I seen anything about ICAO raising the standard to 67 or higher. Just a newb on his 6th post stirring the pot, IMO.

UALinIAH

Says the 64 year old that already benefitted from an extra 5 years in the seat.

OCCP

Correct, and the young guys got an extra 5 years at the regionals and no pension. Typical baby boomers being selfish again.

deltajuliet

Why would AME's know before anyone else?

Packrat

Well said, Sir. In fact the age is already changing around the world. Why should foreign pilots over 65 be able to exercise the privileges of their license in U.S. airspace when American Pilots are precluded?

How about the over 65 Part 91/135 pilots who do the same every day? Pass your medical and pass your check rides and there should be no limit on your longevity. Besides some of us love the job more than any "hobby."

And don't even pass that mess about baby boomer selfishness. Considering the current and near future hiring spree, you spoiled Brats will have a longer, more financially rewarding career than any of us did. Not very many Boomers had 35 years in the left seat.

Be patient, your turn will come. When you say stuff like that YOU come off as the greedy, whining puppy.

Because they have to comply with the changes immediately.

Toedrag

Not stirring the pot at all. That is not my intension.

Yes, I'm a newb here. We all have to be at some point, but I wanted to join the fray since this looks like a big happy family. I've been lurking for a while and have 20+ years in the industry which honestly doesn't qualify me for anything as we all know.

On the topic, I really don't care when anyone retires. I've calculated my magic retirement financial numbers, and if the other components involved in my departure line up, that's when I leave, not some magic age unless that comes first. Good luck to all!

I just thought I'd put out the tidbit that I received after contact with a rep. It's obviously not documented and I can't prove anything, nor do I want to, but it's the most credible information I have heard since my AME said it is being looked at.

Take it or leave it just like most information in life, not just this job, and especially from a message board!

I too have looked for the documented information from all sorts of government agencies, but haven't found the "smoking gun". I have however seen footage of a panel discussion on the "pilot shortage" topic and have read reports about industry studies that have been conducted. (I believe from UND with input from many organizations) To think this is where it ends doesn't make sense to me, but I could obviously be incorrect.

Time will tell. I'm not trying to pontificate nor do I claim to be a master of time space and dimension.

The dynamics in play are domestic and global in nature and not limited to the obvious two I will mention and have been well documented from experts. Supply and demand for pilots and second, money. Money in the sense of wage earners (tax payers) contributing longer to the Social Security and Medicare Systems and delaying (working longer) their withdrawal of assets from these programs.

IMHO the 5 year experimental bandaid from 60 to 65 will be ripped off and lead the way to a global system (1 set of standards worldwide) which doesn't specify an age. Will there be changes to physical, mental, and cognitive standards? Will there be an age in there somewhere to limit liability to corporations based on actuarial or some other data? Your guesses may be better than mine.

I apologize for starting the thread and hope everyone enjoys their summer!

The Dominican

Nope.....! The way aviation is ruled around the world is up to each CAA to determine the standards on their own jurisdiction...., ICAO can only propose a change but each country is free to use their own discretion and adopt the change or not...! Look at the US as an example when the FAA did not adopt the new rest requirements for freighter pilots as all other countries have for all their pilots independently of flying cargo or pax....., Each authority is independently able to make changes of their regulatory requirement as Japan did when they changed the age to 67.

The funny thing is that neither JAL nor ANA have adopted age 67..., as a matter of fact, mainline ANA still has a mandatory retirement age of 60, you can go to one of their subsidiaries and fly until 65 but that is as far as the Japanese pilots union has agreed on extending it.

Toedrag

Agreed and point well made! Today...yes.

Will the FAA and others "conform" to an ICAO standard in a true "globalized" fashion in the future? That was the point I was trying to make. Just MHO, but I do believe change is inevitable.

Nothing would surprise me.

Take care

Edited: Thanks for supporting my point in reference to a set standard and then an airline having it's own rule with your JAL and ANA example. I did not know that.