Spirit cost me $250K
09-22-2016, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by InTrail
Word to the wise. Working for Spirit will cost you a quarter million dollars the first couple if years. Between first year pay and what you could have made in the left seat where you were before, you lose. That was a danged expensive Bus rating
09-22-2016, 11:23 AM
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I think the OP is coming in here not so much to whine but as a herald with a warning to any regional CAs that may be thinking of quitting their regional job and becoming an FO at Spirit: stay where you are, it's not worth it. At least that is my perspective on this post.
09-22-2016, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
I think the OP is coming in here not so much to whine but as a herald with a warning to any regional CAs that may be thinking of quitting their regional job and becoming an FO at Spirit: stay where you are, it's not worth it. At least that is my perspective on this post.
09-22-2016, 11:46 AM
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Not really sure how it cost you $250k unless you had a job offer from a legacy and chose Spirit instead. Which is just stupid and if that's the case you deserve it. But if you're comparing it to staying with your regional captain gig I don't know how you're getting those numbers. Everyone knows that we need a better contract and we need to be compensated more but the process sucks and it doesn't happen overnight. It seems like you've never dealt with airline negotiations before. It will get worse before it gets better... But it will get better.
Also over 3 years it cost me about 40k to leave my captain seat. After 4 years I'll have made back my money and I'm home way more than I was at a regional...
Also over 3 years it cost me about 40k to leave my captain seat. After 4 years I'll have made back my money and I'm home way more than I was at a regional...
09-22-2016, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
The extra type rating probably made you more marketable for the legacy job in whatever algorithm that they used. It also gave you a little bit more confidence knowing you went through another airlines' training without a failure. The legacy HR that hired you was looking at that as a positive as well.
The LCC's are the stepping stones going forward. The bottom 1/3 of every large LCC's pilot group will continually turn over. In 5 years who will the LCC's be hiring? You are going to be flying to south america with a brand new 1500 hr FO sitting in the right seat and you will be a 3-4 yr captain in the left. What leverage for a good contract will your LCC pilot group have? The LCC I came from was hiring regional FO's to trap them for the long term and many were looking at life through rose colored glasses. By the time they are competitive for a legacy job they will have too much invested in the LCC to leave.
For some staying at a LCC is a no brainer. The money won't be as important as living in base, the fast upgrade, or just general QOL. Fortunately, the backlog in hiring at the legacies is starting to loosen up. I think the people getting calls from LCC's will be getting calls from legacies within a few months of each other and it will put an end to this forced jumping around.
The LCC's are the stepping stones going forward. The bottom 1/3 of every large LCC's pilot group will continually turn over. In 5 years who will the LCC's be hiring? You are going to be flying to south america with a brand new 1500 hr FO sitting in the right seat and you will be a 3-4 yr captain in the left. What leverage for a good contract will your LCC pilot group have? The LCC I came from was hiring regional FO's to trap them for the long term and many were looking at life through rose colored glasses. By the time they are competitive for a legacy job they will have too much invested in the LCC to leave.
For some staying at a LCC is a no brainer. The money won't be as important as living in base, the fast upgrade, or just general QOL. Fortunately, the backlog in hiring at the legacies is starting to loosen up. I think the people getting calls from LCC's will be getting calls from legacies within a few months of each other and it will put an end to this forced jumping around.
In today's world, further legacy consolidation is likely frowned upon by the DOJ. But that will change. Also we are looking at the relaxation of the 1500 hour rule at some point in the future if the US is to continue to have an commercial air transportation system. Again all variables, and certainly some we cannot see or comprehend right now.
One thing seems clear though, as our ranks begin to dwindle, there seems no limit to our potential earning power. It's simply supply and demand.
09-22-2016, 01:01 PM
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Meh, the contract and pay will come. Remember when ****ty Continental paid crap?, when UAL furloughed twice in a span of five years?, when US Airways A-320 CAs topped out at a pathetic $125/hr?
Just be patient and continue to take advantage of the good things we have in our contract. F----- management. Don't let them ruin your day
Just be patient and continue to take advantage of the good things we have in our contract. F----- management. Don't let them ruin your day
09-23-2016, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by InTrail
Word to the wise. Working for Spirit will cost you a quarter million dollars the first couple if years. Between first year pay and what you could have made in the left seat where you were before, you lose. That was a danged expensive Bus rating
Here's a question....What airline did you go to or stay at in order to make up that $250,000 loss?
Or, are you still here?
Thanks again for the wisdom.
In the meantime, just support your MEC and enjoy your time off. Things will improve.
Or, feel free to move on and I will gladly move on up another seniority number.
Last edited by AldiAirbus; 09-23-2016 at 07:31 AM.
09-24-2016, 05:43 PM
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Wow, are you guys listening to yourself? i try to help tell newhires to stay away, which will give the Negotiators a 357Magnum to hold to the companies head, and you guys wanna bust my balls. CBA 2020
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