Instagram and pilots?
12-01-2016, 11:24 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by HPIC
My assumption when I read his post was that he was referring to the Check Airman that was the Captain on this flight, assuming this was truly her first flight in the airplane as reported, who obviously showed horrible judgement.
12-01-2016, 12:19 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by dontcare4U
I can understand that, but still question how he thinks that this flight, check airman, co-pilot was graded on a curve? Bad judgment is something that may not show its ugly head until something like this happens, sadly. Too start throwing these accusations is in poor taste, IMO.
4 hr+ flight with 81 pax and bags, even full fuel for the Avro would have put them at a precarious situation upon arrival at the destination even if things were working out great. A simple 15 minute delay for another aircraft put this aircraft in a flameout situation.
The investigation should reveal all. Did the FO have the training (CRM) and experience to call out to the CA ahead of time that she was not comfortable with the fuel state?
And who was PF? The CA seemed to be the one doing all the talking on the radio, so if the FO was PF that should be okay, but if it turns out the CA was also the PF, this is going to be another CRM disaster accident.
12-01-2016, 01:14 PM
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There were two PIC's listed and one SIC. I'm sure the investigation will sort out who was PF/PM.
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12-01-2016, 01:24 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
CA was the co-owner of the charter airline that crashed. When it comes to money-related issues (eg, fuel stop) one might think this might have created a conflict of interest.
4 hr+ flight with 81 pax and bags, even full fuel for the Avro would have put them at a precarious situation upon arrival at the destination even if things were working out great. A simple 15 minute delay for another aircraft put this aircraft in a flameout situation.
The investigation should reveal all. Did the FO have the training (CRM) and experience to call out to the CA ahead of time that she was not comfortable with the fuel state?
And who was PF? The CA seemed to be the one doing all the talking on the radio, so if the FO was PF that should be okay, but if it turns out the CA was also the PF, this is going to be another CRM disaster accident.
4 hr+ flight with 81 pax and bags, even full fuel for the Avro would have put them at a precarious situation upon arrival at the destination even if things were working out great. A simple 15 minute delay for another aircraft put this aircraft in a flameout situation.
The investigation should reveal all. Did the FO have the training (CRM) and experience to call out to the CA ahead of time that she was not comfortable with the fuel state?
And who was PF? The CA seemed to be the one doing all the talking on the radio, so if the FO was PF that should be okay, but if it turns out the CA was also the PF, this is going to be another CRM disaster accident.
12-01-2016, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by trip
There were two PIC's listed and one SIC. I'm sure the investigation will sort out who was PF/PM.
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12-05-2016, 01:04 AM
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