Norwegian Air explained:
12-03-2016, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
the Obama auto bailout.
Even the source you cited notes that:
"The Bush and Obama administrations loaned the auto industry $80 billion to avoid the collapse of the industry that they felt would result in the loss of millions of U.S. jobs."
and
""Two consecutive executive administrations in Washington decided in late 2008 and early 2009...."
Yet you call it:
1. "the Obama auto bailout"
2. in a post attempting to create doubt about Trump
3. in a thread talking about NAI and the Obama administration's decision that greatly harms the US aviation industry
Amazing.
12-03-2016, 05:00 AM
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Again everyone blames Trump, Hilary, and Obama. BS. Americans don't care how many jobs their $99 ticket to Europe costs. Anymore than they care about that $99 50 inch flat screen tv doing the same thing. They want it On Sale, and at Low low prices. It's the sheep not the Shepard. Nice try though. Brought to you by the same mantality that Obamacare costs rising has nothing to do with Obese America. Enjoy your scape goats.
12-03-2016, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
NAI is the type of operation the Trump Administration looks favorably upon. Don't look for help from the government after 1/20.
12-03-2016, 06:26 AM
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An interview from the horses mouth.
https://skift.com/2016/10/06/norwegi...-afraid-of-us/
https://skift.com/2016/10/06/norwegi...-afraid-of-us/
Skift: You now only fly Boeing 787s to the United States, but you’ll soon take delivery of your first Boeing 737 Max. It should have range to fly from the U.S East Coast to Western Europe. How do you plan to use the aircraft?
Kjos: There are so many opportunities that it’s incredible. The Max has the range to go cross the Atlantic. But you shouldn’t go trans-Atlantic with a Max into JFK in New York. You should do it from secondary airports in Europe to secondary airports in the U.S. At these smaller airpots, there are much less taxes to pay. If you fly it for six and a half hours – [the Max] actually has a lower seat cost than the Dreamliner. It is incredibly fuel efficient, and if you fly it all night, you can have a high utilization on it.
Skift: If it’s cheap for you to fly, does that mean ticket prices will be cheap, too?
Kjos: You should easily find tickets below $100 for a one-way ticket, everything included.
Skift: Are you surprised so many politicians in the United States have taken stances to try to keep Norwegian from expanding?
Kjos: Competition is good. Politicians should understand that what’s good for the consumer is good for the country. It might not be good for airlines, but then again if you cannot tolerate competition, then you are in the wrong business.
Skift: Many low co
Kjos: There are so many opportunities that it’s incredible. The Max has the range to go cross the Atlantic. But you shouldn’t go trans-Atlantic with a Max into JFK in New York. You should do it from secondary airports in Europe to secondary airports in the U.S. At these smaller airpots, there are much less taxes to pay. If you fly it for six and a half hours – [the Max] actually has a lower seat cost than the Dreamliner. It is incredibly fuel efficient, and if you fly it all night, you can have a high utilization on it.
Skift: If it’s cheap for you to fly, does that mean ticket prices will be cheap, too?
Kjos: You should easily find tickets below $100 for a one-way ticket, everything included.
Skift: Are you surprised so many politicians in the United States have taken stances to try to keep Norwegian from expanding?
Kjos: Competition is good. Politicians should understand that what’s good for the consumer is good for the country. It might not be good for airlines, but then again if you cannot tolerate competition, then you are in the wrong business.
Skift: Many low co
12-03-2016, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
lulz
Even the source you cited notes that:
"The Bush and Obama administrations loaned the auto industry $80 billion to avoid the collapse of the industry that they felt would result in the loss of millions of U.S. jobs."
and
""Two consecutive executive administrations in Washington decided in late 2008 and early 2009...."
Yet you call it:
1. "the Obama auto bailout"
2. in a post attempting to create doubt about Trump
3. in a thread talking about NAI and the Obama administration's decision that greatly harms the US aviation industry
Amazing.
Even the source you cited notes that:
"The Bush and Obama administrations loaned the auto industry $80 billion to avoid the collapse of the industry that they felt would result in the loss of millions of U.S. jobs."
and
""Two consecutive executive administrations in Washington decided in late 2008 and early 2009...."
Yet you call it:
1. "the Obama auto bailout"
2. in a post attempting to create doubt about Trump
3. in a thread talking about NAI and the Obama administration's decision that greatly harms the US aviation industry
Amazing.
Refer to this quote by you from March 30 of this year:
"Btw....speaking of creating crisis so you can take political advantage of it later on....
Thanks Bill Clinton, for both NAFTA (job loss due to "free trade", killing the middle class in the US) and the repeal of Glass Steagal (creating the Sub-Prime crisis of 2008)."
So...you blame Clinton for NAFTA. Please watch the following video and tell me which President is signing the NAFTA treaty:
Dec. 17, 1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA Video - ABC News
If you are going to use the standard that the President who finalised a policy or an act gets the entirety of the blame, and clearly based on your past statements you do use that standard, then you have to apply all the credit the same way. So by YOUR standard, the auto bailout was Obama's. I will admit I am wrong when you admit your clear double standard.
Regarding NAI, there was no legal grounds for denying NAI, none. NAI does not circumvent EU laws nor does it circumvent EU labor laws. It is a properly certified EU airline and thus fully covered by the Open Skies treaty. Denying NAI, when it had the full backing of Ireland and the EU, would have launched an aviation trade dispute which would not have benefited anyone in the industry.
12-03-2016, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
If you are going to use the standard that the President who finalized a policy or an act gets the entirety of the blame, and clearly based on your past statements you do use that standard, then you have to apply all the credit the same way. So by YOUR standard, the auto bailout was Obama's. I will admit I am wrong when you admit your clear double standard.
H. W. Bush is a globalist, consistently citing the benefits of "the new world order", as he loves to put it. It was Clinton who implemented (or, as you put it, "finalized") it. I'm happy to criticize Bush for his globalist idiocy. Now, let's see you give credit to W. for something you clearly think was good policy.
Originally Posted by NEDude
Regarding NAI, there was no legal grounds for denying NAI, none.
12-03-2016, 07:35 AM
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What is the difference between WOW and NAI?
12-03-2016, 07:47 AM
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Unfortunate news today. I received the following from a reliable source today.
OSM Aviation Employment Bases
AGP
BCN
MAD
TFS
HEL
EDI*
Boston area**
ALC
LPA
PMI
FCO
LGW
SWF**
RIX
* 737 - MAX base
** US 737 - MAX base, requires US Work-permit
Please note that the new bases EDI, RIX, PVD and SWF start operations in June-July 2017
OSM Aviation Employment Bases
AGP
BCN
MAD
TFS
HEL
EDI*
Boston area**
ALC
LPA
PMI
FCO
LGW
SWF**
RIX
* 737 - MAX base
** US 737 - MAX base, requires US Work-permit
Please note that the new bases EDI, RIX, PVD and SWF start operations in June-July 2017
12-03-2016, 08:07 AM
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The ME3 do so well mainly due to their geographic location. You couldn't pick a better spot in the world for a large hub for connecting traffic.
What we consistently overlook as US pilots is how shockingly bad our product is when compared to the ME or European products.
The quality of our customer service is appalling.
We need to talk a long hard look at why we are not competitive and if you ever have flown a non US carrier you will know why.
Frankly I'm often embarrassed.
12-03-2016, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BigGrecian
They also have a substantially better product.
What we consistently overlook as US pilots is how shockingly bad our product is when compared to the ME or European products.
The quality of our customer service is appalling.
We need to talk a long hard look at why we are not competitive and if you ever have flown a non US carrier you will know why.
Frankly I'm often embarrassed.
What we consistently overlook as US pilots is how shockingly bad our product is when compared to the ME or European products.
The quality of our customer service is appalling.
We need to talk a long hard look at why we are not competitive and if you ever have flown a non US carrier you will know why.
Frankly I'm often embarrassed.
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