Military guys taking advantage?
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Another perspective is any pilot who takes extended leave for any reason whether (s)he is junior or senior is just creating another open slot that you are able to compete for. The ability to immediately go back on MIL leave after being hired at a major is just a privilege one earns from being in the service.
Bingo. So junior X number of guys should thank their lucky stars the airline hired guys who are out on mil leave.
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Fundamentally, if the DoD is willing to pay a reservist to be recalled then the military duty is legit by definition.
The military loves volunteers, because it means one less involuntary recall, and those have political consequences (they are tracked in detail by the OSD).
One one hand I generally encourage folks to complete one year before taking a recall, just to avoid the appearance of gaming the system but either way it's legit.
Also involuntary recalls do happen, so in some cases it was not the pilot's plan at all.
The military loves volunteers, because it means one less involuntary recall, and those have political consequences (they are tracked in detail by the OSD).
One one hand I generally encourage folks to complete one year before taking a recall, just to avoid the appearance of gaming the system but either way it's legit.
Also involuntary recalls do happen, so in some cases it was not the pilot's plan at all.
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Hey thanks! a lot of you had responses that give me some perspective on what the mil leave entails. Only reason i even brought it up was because a guy I was talking to was actually bragging about scamming the system but sounds like that is just a fluke from what you guys are saying. Thanks again for your service.
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Here's what I know without a shadow of doubt: I know there isn't a single vet who signed up just so they could "game the system" years later.
And even if there were such a person, as bad as our nation...and our gov't....has collectively screwed them over and outright F'd our men and ladies in uniform, I am 100% happy to let them game whatever they can for their personal benefit, even if it costs me and mine. Anyone wants to throw them under the bus for gaming the system....after all they and theirs have been through and sacrificed for the rest of us...be my guest. Me? I gladly stand aside and will gratefully buy them a round while I'm at it. God bless each and every one of them!
When we, their countrymen, hold our gov't and it's individual members fully accountable for the promises of support and fidelity we 100% owe our vets, and they actually get those benefits IN FULL, then I might...might...have a different opinion.
But not one nano-second before that. I gladly let them cut the line in front of me, and if you're standing behind me and don't like it, come get in my face before you dare get in theirs. I will beat you down like a red-headed idiot, or die trying.
And even if there were such a person, as bad as our nation...and our gov't....has collectively screwed them over and outright F'd our men and ladies in uniform, I am 100% happy to let them game whatever they can for their personal benefit, even if it costs me and mine. Anyone wants to throw them under the bus for gaming the system....after all they and theirs have been through and sacrificed for the rest of us...be my guest. Me? I gladly stand aside and will gratefully buy them a round while I'm at it. God bless each and every one of them!
When we, their countrymen, hold our gov't and it's individual members fully accountable for the promises of support and fidelity we 100% owe our vets, and they actually get those benefits IN FULL, then I might...might...have a different opinion.
But not one nano-second before that. I gladly let them cut the line in front of me, and if you're standing behind me and don't like it, come get in my face before you dare get in theirs. I will beat you down like a red-headed idiot, or die trying.
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Here's what I know without a shadow of doubt: I know there isn't a single vet who signed up just so they could "game the system" years later.
And even if there were such a person, as bad as our nation...and our gov't....has collectively screwed them over and outright F'd our men and ladies in uniform, I am 100% happy to let them game whatever they can for their personal benefit, even if it costs me and mine. Anyone wants to throw them under the bus for gaming the system....after all they and theirs have been through and sacrificed for the rest of us...be my guest. Me? I gladly stand aside and will gratefully buy them a round while I'm at it. God bless each and every one of them!
When we, their countrymen, hold our gov't and it's individual members fully accountable for the promises of support and fidelity we 100% owe our vets, and they actually get those benefits IN FULL, then I might...might...have a different opinion.
But not one nano-second before that. I gladly let them cut the line in front of me, and if you're standing behind me and don't like it, come get in my face before you dare get in theirs. I will beat you down like a red-headed idiot, or die trying.
And even if there were such a person, as bad as our nation...and our gov't....has collectively screwed them over and outright F'd our men and ladies in uniform, I am 100% happy to let them game whatever they can for their personal benefit, even if it costs me and mine. Anyone wants to throw them under the bus for gaming the system....after all they and theirs have been through and sacrificed for the rest of us...be my guest. Me? I gladly stand aside and will gratefully buy them a round while I'm at it. God bless each and every one of them!
When we, their countrymen, hold our gov't and it's individual members fully accountable for the promises of support and fidelity we 100% owe our vets, and they actually get those benefits IN FULL, then I might...might...have a different opinion.
But not one nano-second before that. I gladly let them cut the line in front of me, and if you're standing behind me and don't like it, come get in my face before you dare get in theirs. I will beat you down like a red-headed idiot, or die trying.
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Just like someone could get hired, have a baby, and then take FMLA leave up to the legal or contractual limit.
Airlines know the rules and they make the hiring decisions knowing the rules may be tweaked by some
Nonetheless, I don't think it makes them less deserving than a regional pilot "dying" for the job.
Airlines know the rules and they make the hiring decisions knowing the rules may be tweaked by some
Nonetheless, I don't think it makes them less deserving than a regional pilot "dying" for the job.
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Here's what I know without a shadow of doubt: I know there isn't a single vet who signed up just so they could "game the system" years later.
And even if there were such a person, as bad as our nation...and our gov't....has collectively screwed them over and outright F'd our men and ladies in uniform, I am 100% happy to let them game whatever they can for their personal benefit, even if it costs me and mine. Anyone wants to throw them under the bus for gaming the system....after all they and theirs have been through and sacrificed for the rest of us...be my guest. Me? I gladly stand aside and will gratefully buy them a round while I'm at it. God bless each and every one of them!
When we, their countrymen, hold our gov't and it's individual members fully accountable for the promises of support and fidelity we 100% owe our vets, and they actually get those benefits IN FULL, then I might...might...have a different opinion.
But not one nano-second before that. I gladly let them cut the line in front of me, and if you're standing behind me and don't like it, come get in my face before you dare get in theirs. I will beat you down like a red-headed idiot, or die trying.
And even if there were such a person, as bad as our nation...and our gov't....has collectively screwed them over and outright F'd our men and ladies in uniform, I am 100% happy to let them game whatever they can for their personal benefit, even if it costs me and mine. Anyone wants to throw them under the bus for gaming the system....after all they and theirs have been through and sacrificed for the rest of us...be my guest. Me? I gladly stand aside and will gratefully buy them a round while I'm at it. God bless each and every one of them!
When we, their countrymen, hold our gov't and it's individual members fully accountable for the promises of support and fidelity we 100% owe our vets, and they actually get those benefits IN FULL, then I might...might...have a different opinion.
But not one nano-second before that. I gladly let them cut the line in front of me, and if you're standing behind me and don't like it, come get in my face before you dare get in theirs. I will beat you down like a red-headed idiot, or die trying.
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I know at United they ask for a copy of your DD-214 to show proof you left the military... not sure what they do with the form or how much they review it. However, If you were a guard bum or reservist this option/loophole might work (get off AD orders and then immediately get back on AD orders once hired)... but its a very small number of pilots who would be eligible.
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