Military guys taking advantage?
12-01-2016, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by swamp
Pretty sure it's 12 months. Read PWA 13 H. 1., states clearly to be eligible for FMLA a pilot must have at least a minimum of 12 months of service.
Federal FMLA laws do not grant eligibility until the employee has accumulated about one year's worth of work hours in the previous 12 months. So granting new-hires FMLA would be generous on the part of any employer, ie they don't have to do it.
Worth noting that the work hours rule initially did not translate well for crew, because we "only" work about 85 hours/month. The law was actually modified to count duty vice block/credit for crews.
There was still a problem with home reserve not being counted as duty, FA's were really bent out of shape that they couldn't get baby leave if they sat a lot of reserve. Not sure if they fixed that.
12-01-2016, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
I know at United they ask for a copy of your DD-214 to show proof you left the military... not sure what they do with the form or how much they review it. However, If you were a guard bum or reservist this option/loophole might work (get off AD orders and then immediately get back on AD orders once hired)... but its a very small number of pilots who would be eligible.
But any military vet can immediately turn around and join the guard/reserves. Some components will even take retirees. So a DD214 in no way guarantees that you can't go right back on some sort of guard/reserve orders. A retired O6 would be less likely to do that than a separated O4.
12-01-2016, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
Gee, you sound like a swell guy. Can you work over-time and pay me your wages. I mean heck, I'm ex-military, when I came home from Vietnam, probably before you were born, I got nothing but scorn from the public. Maybe you can come over to my house and cut my lawn and pull weeds in my garden.
Where do you live? I'll gladly come over to cut your lawn and pull weeds in your garden. How about next Veteran's Day?
12-01-2016, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Who cares if anyone takes advantage?
As long as it means more new hires-I'm 100% in favor!!
As long as it means more new hires-I'm 100% in favor!!
Too many folks blatantly gaming the system tends to poison the well for other vets, particularly "reserve age" vets. For that reason alone I tend to encourage military folks to have some consideration for those that follow.
Other issue is that while corporate America's accommodation of reservists is basically part of their civic obligation, airlines do carry more than their fair share of that burden relative to other business sectors. OTOH, they do benefit from a steady stream of trained and experienced pilots at some one else's expense. But they tend to forget that last part, and fixate on the emotional butt hurt of their scheduling challenges...I try to encourage folks not to fan that flame, ie keep a low profile so as not incentivize the lobbying of congress for legislative "relief" from USERRA.
Basically have consideration for those who follow you, and your own long-term best interests as a reservist.
12-01-2016, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by swamp
Pretty sure it's 12 months. Read PWA 13 H. 1., states clearly to be eligible for FMLA a pilot must have at least a minimum of 12 months of service.
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12-01-2016, 10:39 AM
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This wouldn't happen as much if first year pay didn't suck.
Personally, I'd rather commute to reserve than do a deployment. Fly a redeye transcon than sit thru more SAPR training. There are a lot of benefits to being in the military but there's a lot of crap to wade through too.
Personally, I'd rather commute to reserve than do a deployment. Fly a redeye transcon than sit thru more SAPR training. There are a lot of benefits to being in the military but there's a lot of crap to wade through too.
12-01-2016, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
Where do you live? I'll gladly come over to cut your lawn and pull weeds in your garden. How about next Veteran's Day?
12-01-2016, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Fundamentally, if the DoD is willing to pay a reservist to be recalled then the military duty is legit by definition.
The military loves volunteers, because it means one less involuntary recall, and those have political consequences (they are tracked in detail by the OSD).
One one hand I generally encourage folks to complete one year before taking a recall, just to avoid the appearance of gaming the system but either way it's legit.
Also involuntary recalls do happen, so in some cases it was not the pilot's plan at all.
The military loves volunteers, because it means one less involuntary recall, and those have political consequences (they are tracked in detail by the OSD).
One one hand I generally encourage folks to complete one year before taking a recall, just to avoid the appearance of gaming the system but either way it's legit.
Also involuntary recalls do happen, so in some cases it was not the pilot's plan at all.
Between being called for an interview at Southwest, and the actual interview, I was involuntarily recalled to active duty.
I don't want to do this stupid mobilization to fill a billet, which is caused by the combined leadership failures of the Army AND Navy.. Army for not being able to man a O-4 with a TS billet fifteen years into the war, and the Navy for being generally spineless when our reservists are being ridden pretty hard, harder than a lot of active duty honestly.
But yet, I must go spend a year is the land of Sand. A year away from home.. A year without advancing my career, only to have lost any and all currency..
How much me having to go on an involuntary recall had to do with Southwest saying "no" after an interview I thought went well? Who knows.
But I was asked about my reserve status and how I intended to have it not interfere with Southwest's training and schedules.. Which may be due to one too many guys doing the get hired, and scam 5 years of "involuntary" orders to get an active retirement and seniority without being there. (I know of two guys doing just that, one at SWA and one at Delta, so yeah, it happens and isn't uncommon)
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