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Old 04-14-2008, 05:50 PM
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Looks like NWA ALPA doesn't think its such a great idea:



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NWA MEC Opposes NWA/DAL Merger Monday, April 14, 2008

Today the managements and Boards of Directors of Northwest and Delta Air Lines announced their intent to merge. In addition, a new pilot contract was agreed upon by the Delta MEC and Delta management without the participation of the Northwest pilot group. No details on this contract are available at present. The Northwest MEC strongly opposes the merger with Delta Air Lines as it stands.

Reasons for Opposition:

Northwest pilots will be disadvantaged in obtaining a joint contract and potentially in the seniority list integration process.
The current process is highly likely to recreate the USAirways-America West merger environment.
Northwest pilots are not brought to immediate parity with Delta pilots, potentially putting Northwest pilots on a B-Scale for years.


This merger announcement has come after months of negotiations which had resolved all joint pilot contract issues except for the differing views on the integration of pilot seniority. The NWA MEC, on numerous occasions, stated our willingness to resolve seniority integration by expedited arbitration. The Delta pilot leadership rejected arbitration as a means of resolving the seniority list issue at that time, but has now reversed its position. The Delta pilot leadership also abandoned the joint pilot contract approach and agreed to a new Delta pilot contract that increased the pay and benefits for their pilots only. Any previous value and synergy created by the merger is likely to be lost due to this one-sided agreement.



More information is available in a Ziplines from MEC Chairman Dave Stevens which will be published shortly.



This marks the end of today's Hotline.



Your MEC remains committed to protecting your jobs, your seniority and your future
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Old 04-14-2008, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 View Post
Sounds like DALALPA is attempting to throw NWA pilots under the bus. This will not be pretty.
Can you explain that in any logical terms? What has DALPA done to throw NWA under the bus? In fact we have now through LOA 19 set a floor on the joint contract we will be negotiating. Hopefully that joint contract will take effect before LOA 19 does and contain more improvements. A friend at NWA I just got of the phone with was hoping we would do even better! He is smart enough to understand that this sets the floor on the new joint contract for all of us. We had no legal or other ability to negotiate for NWA. DALPA made no attempt to have separate opertions as you posted several times. DALPA is making no attempt to force a seniority list. What more did you want???????
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Old 04-14-2008, 05:54 PM
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First of all, welcome aboard, my fellow NWA brothers and sisters! It's a very exciting time in our career, especially in the next year or so. We all share the same pain when we went thru BK, furloughs, ups and downs. I think it's important to think of one company from now, call DELTA AIR LINES. No more segregations within the pilot group, i.e. blue, green, red book, or whatever NWA pilots want to call us DAL guys (perhaps purple, because blue+red is purple We are now joined at the hip, fellas, either we like it or not.

It is a vast difference in corporate culture that most of us will have to accustom to. I hope for the next year or so, keep an open mind, try to work in the best interest of both our families, and our company. It is something that as a newbie at DAL i'm very proud and impressed with, is the ability of our pilot group to work with our corporate leadership to work out our issues instead of doing things that would hurt our career and our company as a whole.

Again, welcome aboard!
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
We have to be unified, it's us against management. What's this 3.5% crap for pilots, and 4% for non-pilots?
3.5% is for 7000 pilots. 4% is for about 100,000 employees at Delta and NWA. The NWA pilots will have to negotiate for a percentage also. I would strongly suspect it will be about 2.8% which will be about the same dollar amount as each Delta pilot gets.
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Old 04-14-2008, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
3.5% is for 7000 pilots. 4% is for about 100,000 employees at Delta and NWA. The NWA pilots will have to negotiate for a percentage also. I would strongly suspect it will be about 2.8% which will be about the same dollar amount as each Delta pilot gets.

Thanks, my head is spinning. That and I suck at math.
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
Looks like their (sic) throwing NWA pilots under the bus, yikes!
That's the fourth or fifth time I've heard that phrase coined on these boards from a NWA forumite - how you've come to this conclusion so soon, and how the conspiracy theories seemingly are already in full bloom, is beyond me. Your MEC made their intentions clear from the onset that they had no intention to cooperate on a reasonable, rational SLI (that didn't involve a windfall for you, and a stapler for me). Instead, NWALPA picks up the ball and goes home. Now, they've gotten what they've asked for, yet are still being "thrown under the bus".

For the record, we've got you down as the first one who got "screwed in the merger".
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Old 04-14-2008, 06:05 PM
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what does "pre-merger pilots" mean for the guys/gals that are starting class at DAL on Monday. Are we included or not?
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
We have to be unified, it's us against management. What's this 3.5% crap for pilots, and 4% for non-pilots?
7500 pilots. 40,000 non-pilots. Do the math.
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
7500 pilots. 40,000 non-pilots. Do the math.
Somebody did it earlier for me, Thanks!
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Originally Posted by 135TOAD View Post
what does "pre-merger pilots" mean for the guys/gals that are starting class at DAL on Monday. Are we included or not?
None of this takes place until the merger is executed (epected to be six to eight months from now).... So you should be included.
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