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Old 10-16-2008, 12:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I just got back off a long Asia trip and had the first look at the proposed seniority list presented by Delta at the arbitration hearings. I am confused. I read the opening statement from the Delta attorney who said that their proposal was based on a category/relative seniority list. So here are my questions.

1. I was hired in 01/85 and am currently a 330CA. My senority # is 8XX. When I look at the proposed list, I will be # 22xx with the first person hired after me (09/85) at Delta will be #3xx . That is my relative seniority question.

2. There are many pilots on the proposed list that would be way senior to me that are currently flying as B737 or B757 CA's. How does that fit into the Category argument?

Not trying to put fuel on the fire as we have yet to see the NWA proposed list but just trying to see how this list would be "fair and equaitable". I greatly appreciate any constructive response
The junior 777 Captain at Delta is 2000+ on our seniority list. Also, are you Red Book? If so, you may be a 330 CA because the more senior Green Book pilots have been shut out of your seat for 20 years. How many A320 and 757 captains do you have on your own list that are senior to you? Probably quite a lot. What you are holding at any one time doesn't necessarily mean that is what you would hold in a stovepipe.
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The junior 777 Captain at Delta is 2000+ on our seniority list. Also, are you Red Book? If so, you may be a 330 CA because the more senior Green Book pilots have been shut out of your seat for 20 years.
Just to nitpick, the A330 has only been on property for 5 years, not 20 years. Out of those 5 years 2.75 of them have been UNfenced by the previous SLI award.
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They have been unfenced but since there has been little movement greenbook pilots have not been able to get over to the aircraft relative to their seniority. There is a reason they refer to the 787 as the Greenliner.
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Just to nitpick, the A330 has only been on property for 5 years, not 20 years. Out of those 5 years 2.75 of them have been UNfenced by the previous SLI award.


That does the greeenbook guys little good if there are no openings - does it? Anyway - you guys have seen our opener, now its your turn. I hope the transcipts are not as boring as the first round was.

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Delta's proposal is relative position. Your date of hire is irrelevant.
The lists were stovepiped and then NWA pilots and Delta pilots were slotted in based on holding the same seat on similar equipment. A330 Captains with 767-400 Captains. A320 FOs with 737 FOs, etc.
why is it that there are nwa pilots stapled to the bottom of the list? shouldn't they be slotted in somewhere?
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That does the greeenbook guys little good if there are no openings - does it? Anyway - you guys have seen our opener, now its your turn. I hope the transcipts are not as boring as the first round was.

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The MSP base is 100% green CA iirc. I haven't flown with a Red Book Captain out of SEA in quite awhile either.

A lot of our A330 deliveries took place after the fence was down.
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Not true. As I stated before, there are guys/ladies on the proposed list that would be way senior to me currently flying as B737CA. I don't believe that would be the "same seat on similar aircraft"
And there is a DC9 captain or two senior to me on that list and I am a 767er super non premium sometimes widebody captain... what's your point?
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why is it that there are nwa pilots stapled to the bottom of the list? shouldn't they be slotted in somewhere?
Because the lists were stovepiped. Basically, the lists were lined up side by side and then put together by category ratio. Since the DC-9 is smaller than an MD-88, all the -9 slots are at the bottom of the list.
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That does the greeenbook guys little good if there are no openings - does it? Anyway - you guys have seen our opener, now its your turn. I hope the transcipts are not as boring as the first round was.

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Boring???? I thought they were incredibly entertaining. Seriously.
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Is your date of hire on the Delta list irrelevant?
It will be on the combined list... unless you are a newhire.
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