Delta's Proposed Seniority List - Page 3

Eric Stratton · 10-17-2008, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

Because the lists were stovepiped. Basically, the lists were lined up side by side and then put together by category ratio. Since the DC-9 is smaller than an MD-88, all the -9 slots are at the bottom of the list.

can I assume it is more of a pay issue rather than size because the 747 is larger than the 777.

Scoop · 10-17-2008, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton

can I assume it is more of a pay issue rather than size because the 747 is larger than the 777.

That is correct, and for the most part size and pay go together, but really who cares about the size of the aircraft, - its the compensation thats important. I would gladly bid for an open cockpit Bi-plane if the compensation was right.

Scoop

Justdoinmyjob · 10-17-2008, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton

can I assume it is more of a pay issue rather than size because the 747 is larger than the 777.

The categories were based on comparable type aircraft. The only comparable aircraft at Delta to the DC-9 is a CRJ-900. Since that is at the DCI, the -9 is at the bottom. JMO though, the brainiacs may be better at explaining it.

320FOB · 10-17-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

The categories were based on comparable type aircraft. The only comparable aircraft at Delta to the DC-9 is a CRJ-900. Since that is at the DCI, the -9 is at the bottom. JMO though, the brainiacs may be better at explaining it.

What metrics are being used to determine what is comparable? I don't know so I'm just asking. Why is the DC-9 considered only comparable to the CRJ-900? The DC-9-50's carry more pax than Delta's 737-700's. The 737-700 pays more though, especially in the JPWA where it matches the -800. So is it a pay thing? Seats? MGTOW? Range?

Check Essential · 10-17-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 320FOB

What metrics are being used to determine what is comparable? I don't know so I'm just asking. Why is the DC-9 considered only comparable to the CRJ-900? The DC-9-50's carry more pax than Delta's 737-700's. The 737-700 pays more though, especially in the JPWA where it matches the -800. So is it a pay thing? Seats? MGTOW? Range?

Pay and productivity mainly. There is a also a bit of historical precedent thrown onto the mix.

The DC-9s are a special case. There is widespread consensus (among Delta pilots anyway) that those aircraft are obsolete and destined for the boneyard in the very near future. The NWA pilots of course disagree and maintain that many of the DC-9s are still serviceable plus they are paid for and therefore they will be flown for many years to come. This is a very important issue because the fate of the most junior pilots on the list hangs in the balance. If the economy slows dramatically and the DC-9s are parked, there is likely to be furloughs. Junior Delta pilots don't want to be the victims of NWA fleet reductions.
The arbitrators will have to make that call.

Superpilot92 · 10-17-2008, 09:21 AM

they don't know, the try and say the dc9 is smaller even though the majority of the remaing dc9s are -40,-50's now. Seat wise they are compareable to the 737s and the dc9 is the same type as the dc9-80. People talk about how"small" it is when they try and talk down about it but it's more compareable than they like to admit because then don't have the arguing points anymore with out the attempt to portray them as "small"

It's a pontless argument either way

Superpilot92 · 10-17-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential

Pay and productivity mainly. There is a also a bit of historical precedent thrown onto the mix.

The DC-9s are a special case. There is widespread consensus (among Delta pilots anyway) that those aircraft are obsolete and destined for the boneyard in the very near future. The NWA pilots of course disagree and maintain that many of the DC-9s are still serviceable plus they are paid for and therefore they will be flown for many years to come. This is a very important issue because the fate of the most junior pilots on the list hangs in the balance. If the economy slows dramatically and the DC-9s are parked, there is likely to be furloughs. Junior Delta pilots don't want to be the victims of NWA fleet reductions.
The arbitrators will have to make that call.

if the economy slows and credit gets harder to come by that only makes the paid for dc9s that much more viable. Especially if oil keeps going down. They can and do have alot of life left if needed believe it or not. If the dal boys are worried about them fence em up by all means. That will just make my upgrade that much closer with you guys locked off of it LOL

acl65pilot · 10-17-2008, 10:35 AM

We will have credit when we need it. Trust me.
Those nines are short timers.

alfaromeo · 10-17-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92

they don't know, the try and say the dc9 is smaller even though the majority of the remaing dc9s are -40,-50's now. Seat wise they are compareable to the 737s and the dc9 is the same type as the dc9-80. People talk about how"small" it is when they try and talk down about it but it's more compareable than they like to admit because then don't have the arguing points anymore with out the attempt to portray them as "small"

It's a pontless argument either way

The DC-9-50 has 125 seats and the 737-700 has 124. However the -700 uses almost half as much fuel as the -50 and it has a range almost 4 times greater. The DC-9 is not in the same league as a 737-700. The 737-700 can go coast to coast and deep into South America. The DC-9-50 can't get too far away from a hub before it runs out of gas. The closest comparison is to an EMB-195 which holds 110 pax but has 2.5 times the range of a DC-9.

Eric Stratton · 10-17-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential

Pay and productivity mainly. There is a also a bit of historical precedent thrown onto the mix.

The DC-9s are a special case. There is widespread consensus (among Delta pilots anyway) that those aircraft are obsolete and destined for the boneyard in the very near future. The NWA pilots of course disagree and maintain that many of the DC-9s are still serviceable plus they are paid for and therefore they will be flown for many years to come. This is a very important issue because the fate of the most junior pilots on the list hangs in the balance. If the economy slows dramatically and the DC-9s are parked, there is likely to be furloughs. Junior Delta pilots don't want to be the victims of NWA fleet reductions.
The arbitrators will have to make that call.

were the dc9 captain slots put after the md88 fo's or were they the last captain slots in the stove pipe?

wouldn't it be safe to say that if the economy slows drastically and your 2 airlines weren't merging that delta would be in the same boat as everyone else and have to park airplanes? you just wouldn't have the 9's to park.

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