acl65pilot

See that is the thing most people do not get. When this cross bidding starts there will be guys MDed off jets they thought they were fine in. It goes one of two ways.
For the DAL guys on lets say on the 767 that have been here since before 9-11. When they move the ER to SEA if it comes out of ATL or the 777 to MSP, those guys that live here are going to bid the 767 domestic and the 777 guy will bid the ER. It is a cascading effect. Guys that do not commute will not want to start and will bid what keeps them here in ATL. That means that junior guys will get bumped to the 88 here or the real junior guys will get bumped to the 9 in ATL or the 88 in MSP, or god knows where else. With many of the DAL guys living in base (except NYC) the senior guys will bid the next junior equipment to keep from commuting. Displaced on a surplus award when a category is moved to a new base or shrunk.

Now with the NWA folks. It is true they cannot bump you, but and it is a huge but. When they shrink lets say the 9 category in DTW and MSP or move the 320 from MSP to DTW or shift the 757 cat to our ER cat and do not keep it in MSP and DTW, these guys are displaced off their jets. They then get to bid the entire non-fenced system. So in effect an aircraft like the 767 in ATL that has no openings will have displacements big time because pilots with the seniority are going to VD off the 9 and bid the 767 or the ER or the 765. They can as we can when there is a surplus bid. This is where lots of guys are going to get irked, or whatever you want to call it. ATL will get very senior, DTW and NYC junior as the NWA guys realize that the commute sucks.
Do not think that you cannot get displaced when they start to move bases. You can and will. Guys that do not mind the North will love it, as they will get to fly better schedules, but those that refuse to commute will be junior or on junior equipment for a few more years. Remember that after SOC all categories are OUR categories not ours and theirs. (Except the 777 and 744 of course)

cpatterson19

When I used to commute through dtw it was always a hold at the gate to get parked. There were times we sat out for 45 mins cause ramp was on "union break" LOL

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tsquare

Which is precisely why ALPA messed this up when they didn't get the NWA version of recall rights... Those of us who will be bumped will likely take YEARS (if ever) to get back when the Obama'd economy gets rolling...

newKnow

6 months of recall rights is no recall right at all. You would think that even the company would want longer recall rights for cheaper training costs.

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chuck h

Exactly why, after my MD to JFK, I'm moving to Chicago. One leg anywhere in the system and close to MSP and DTW. I have this sneaking suspicion, if I don't get furloughed, that my move back to the ER will be short lived and not my last involuntary displacement.

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tsquare

OK.. my bad then... I had heard ya'll had essentially infinite recall rights if you got displaced. Why don't we get a movement going for that?

newKnow

ts,

We did have infinite recall rights and I agree that we should get a movement to get that back. When we had it, it was base and position specific. As in, if you were a DTW DC-9 A reserve pilot and got displaced you only have recall rights back to that base and reserve position.

Which is way better than what I think we have now. 6 months, right?

New K Now

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maddogmax

Six months after SOC