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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE
In response to minimum aircraft movement. I talked to MSP chf. pilot he said that slc will evntly turn into a320 a330 base, 767 on the coasts with 777 in msp and atl ,747-400's dtw maybe atl. 787 not sure, if we get them at all. So get your jump seat skills ready.
Lemme guess, your on at least the A320.
For those of us nearer the bottom, any news on DC9's, MD88's, A320's, 737's, MD90's and even the 757's?
For those of us nearer the bottom, any news on DC9's, MD88's, A320's, 737's, MD90's and even the 757's?
The rumor that has been floating around for months is MDs will leave SLC and be based in MSP (they can hit both coasts from there) and A320s to SLC (they can hit both coasts from SLC). A320s will be doing a bit of flying out of CVG, but no word on whether it will be hubbing or a base. I think757 basing is up in the air, NW is reducing staffing on 757 as we speak. I would think DC9 basing will be stable until RA figures out which airlink RJs we want to dump. For now expect a lot of DC9s hubbing in and out of ATL.
Base closures supposedly will not start until after SOC.
In response to minimum aircraft movement. I talked to MSP chf. pilot he said that slc will evntly turn into a320 a330 base, 767 on the coasts with 777 in msp and atl ,747-400's dtw maybe atl. 787 not sure, if we get them at all. So get your jump seat skills ready.
I am guessing pre merger DL pilots won't get really interested in improving the "Call in Honest" program until the percentage of commuters starts to rise with base realignments. Just my opinion.
Just so the ex NWA pilots understand something about the Delta contract. It really rewards being senior in category. Because of that the bottom 10 percent in a category are not really representive of the seniority numbers you want to look at. A better number would be to see what number it takes to have 25% below you in a category. Very senior copilots can make as much as Captains on the same equipment. I flew with one copilot on the 767ER. He will make almost 200k this year. He has really used the contract and knows every method to increase pay however its easy to really make a lot of extra cash if that is your goal by staying senior.
This would be great if we could get someone to show us the ins and outs of the new contract ...
I am guessing pre merger DL pilots won't get really interested in improving the "Call in Honest" program until the percentage of commuters starts to rise with base realignments. Just my opinion.
The Delta pilots have already seen massive base realignments and basing closings.
Closed bases.
Orlando
Dallas
New Orleans
Houston
Seattle
Boston
Chicago
Miami
Realigned bases
LAX
CVG
Most Delta pilots would like to have the NWA policy. They also understand as you will in a few years how the airline functions and what would be required to get that policy. It would be very expensive. What are you willing to give up. We also have many flights with 50 plus commuters onboard. How does the policy work in that situation. The last and perhaps biggest point is that the NWA policy was just that a management policy that could be changed or revoked on a whim at any time. The Delta policy is contractual. Had the NWA policy been contractual it would have been a huge assistance in getting it written into the joint contract.
One thing that should be mentioned. All the talk about moving aircraft is good but I would not get to wound up about it. Talking with people who will be making the decisions it does not look like there is going to be a lot of fleet rebasing in the near term. It involves way to much training. As long as a current base has enough departures on that equipment to get the pilots into the system with a reasonable amount of credit time on the built rotations they will not be in a hurry to close bases and move flying. Using MD-88's out of MSP or A320's out of SLC does not mean you must move the pilots. Delta is very training sensitive. These types of moves have huge training impacts. I would expect to see little if any domestic fleet basing changes in the next 3 to 5 years. International will be a somewhat different story where its harder to build rotations without credit if the crews are located in the wrong places. Still even these changes will be incremental not wholesale.
One thing that should be mentioned. All the talk about moving aircraft is good but I would not get to wound up about it. Talking with people who will be making the decisions it does not look like there is going to be a lot of fleet rebasing in the near term. It involves way to much training. As long as a current base has enough departures on that equipment to get the pilots into the system with a reasonable amount of credit time on the built rotations they will not be in a hurry to close bases and move flying. Using MD-88's out of MSP or A320's out of SLC does not mean you must move the pilots. Delta is very training sensitive. These types of moves have huge training impacts. I would expect to see little if any domestic fleet basing changes in the next 3 to 5 years. International will be a somewhat different story where its harder to build rotations without credit if the crews are located in the wrong places. Still even these changes will be incremental not wholesale.
This is what I have been trying to say. I am not sure if three to five is the correct term, but it will not be in the next few months. I agree that after SOC the international lift will be moved. The domestic if done on a large scale will need to be moved too. Just not as quickly.
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