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Old 05-22-2009, 08:17 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Things always just move a little slower in the South. No offense intended here, I grew up in the south.
Actually, not meaning to be argumentative, but I saw a segment on 20/20 and they examined several large and small cities in the US comparing how long it took to accomplish everyday tasks. They examined things like cashing a check, average driving speed, ordering a meal in a restaurant and getting served, waiting for someone to back out of a parking spot ...

The results, the south was the fastest, in particular Atlanta won. The north (NYC) wasn't so good.

It was an interesting little bit on how fast / productive some groups are.
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Can a DAL-N guy elaborate on the NWA call in honest program? How was it better than the Delta policy?
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:25 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The current NWA Call In Honest Policy was modified to its existing form 01 Aug 1999 and was developed in consultation with ALPA.

The original policy was changed because it didnt guarantee positive space transportation going "TO" work.
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Wasn't RA the guy that implemented Call in Honest at NWA?
As I recall, it was Ed Davidson (Chief Pilot in DTW) that was the mover and shaker that got it pushed through flight ops and the last pilot holding the VP of Flight ops position (Jeff Carlson). RA was the COO at the time, and I guess he could have over rode the decision, but he didn't. However, I understand that he hated it because of the heat he took from other employee groups.

With that said, it was proven to save the company money and therefore has survived for over a decade.

As flying moves around over the next several years and more guys commute, I think the south guys will see it for what it is.......a life boat that you hopefully never use but is a great stress reliever.

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Can a DAL-N guy elaborate on the NWA call in honest program? How was it better than the Delta policy?
It's better because it takes a low level scheduler out of the decision making process. Give yourself one backup that make your report time (no load restriction like the Delta program) and if you get in trouble (ie, mx on your flight or earlier that fills up your flight) you get a positive space pass to work......no questions asked.

I commute out of a moderately tough place, DFW, and have only used it twice in over 10 years. Also, just as an aside, if there is WX moving into your base the day you are going to commute, you get a robo call warning you that the schedule may get cut down and to review your commute plan. If you need to come up early, they OFFER a positive space pass and I understand even a hotel room. IT SAVES THE COMPANY MONEY.

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Old 05-22-2009, 02:00 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The commuting pilot will have an original and one back-up flight to the crew base, both of which are SCHEDULED to arrive prior to check-in time for the particular trip pattern.

The pilot will have listed for either the cockpit jumpseat or a cabin seat for the original flight.

If the pilot is not boarded on the original flight then he/she notifies crew scheduling.

The pilot will provide the crew scheduler with the flight number of the original and back up flight. The scheduler will verify that the pilot was listed for the original flight, and that both flights would have arrived prior to check-in. If all data is verified, the scheduler will produce a PNR and issue the pilot a Y1 (positive space) seat for the back-up flight. This Y1 is issued regardless of the reserve coverage and is designed to ensure the pilot has a confirmed seat for the next flight. The pilot will not be charged a service fee for this Y1 seat.

The pilot processeds to the gate podium and provides the PNR Locator Number to the agent, who will issue a boarding pass for that flight
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In simple terms it makes the pilot plan ahead....then if the plan does not work...you get the positive space to go to work; like Ferd said...it takes the decision making out of the schedulers hands.

With a 10 1/2 day advance jump seat policy planning becomes much easier.
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As I recall, it was Ed Davidson (Chief Pilot in DTW) that was the mover and shaker that got it pushed through flight ops and the last pilot holding the VP of Flight ops position (Jeff Carlson). RA was the COO at the time, and I guess he could have over rode the decision, but he didn't. However, I understand that he hated it because of the heat he took from other employee groups.

With that said, it was proven to save the company money and therefore has survived for over a decade.

As flying moves around over the next several years and more guys commute, I think the south guys will see it for what it is.......a life boat that you hopefully never use but is a great stress reliever.



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The General Bulletin was signed by Gene Peterson, former MEC Chairman and former VP, Flight Ops. IIRC is still flying as a 747-400 captain. I don't think Jeff Carlson had anything to do with this bulletin.
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Nosmo King,

Yup, you're right........I forgot about Gene. Saw him in Narita not long ago, nice guy. Flew with Carlson once.................<chirp chirp>

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This is what I call forward thinking! I like it and we need it for what is coming over the next hill.
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