NuGuy

Not really true. In most mergers, including the NW/DL merger, the date the merger was announced was considered "constructive notification", and the SLI was based around that.

For you guys, that was Monday.

Nu

thor2j

Your turn to read again. Furloughs have no active status and therefore will go to the BOTTOM. Sorry, but proven over and over. Career expectations as well as longevity(NOT DOH) have weight. CAL has 10x more career expectations. I am trying to be neutral by saying the only fair way is relative seniority. I would personally like the career expectations heavily weighted, but figure the only way we will ever come to an agreement is straight relative seniority. Don't forget most 2005 CAL hires have more longevity (aka active time) then most UAL furloughs.

757Driver

Agree and completely true.

cactusdog16

Thor:

With all due respect, you need to understand what UAL is bringing to the table (again, twice as many WBs as CAL and a huge international presence) and admit to yourself that the UAL pilots do have significant career expectations. Just because CAL's current upgrade time is shorter than UAL's does not mean that the career expectation of a UAL pilot is "nada," or even that "CAL's is 10x UAL's." That is simply ridiculous.

Aren't you salivating just a little at the prospect of your airline's widebody fleet tripling in size?? C'mon, you can admit it! Better pay! More days off! Who wouldn't like that? And now you want to jump ahead of all those United pilots who have been waiting in line for the higher paying, better quality-of-life equipment?

Straight relative seniority would place you closer to the higher-paying, better QOL equipment than you have ever been. It would place me further away than I have ever been since being a new-hire well over a decade ago. How would that be fair? If the fleet types of our two companies were more closely aligned, I would say straight relative seniority would be a go. But they're not. And it's not.

jsled

Do you know why the top 517 slots went to US Airways in the America West merger? Because of the widebody disparities between the 2 airlines. You are right, relative seniority is fair....within aircraft types. 111 Widebodies vs 46 widebodies is going to be addressed with more UAL pilots than CAL pilots slotted in the top of the list-just like US AIR/ Am West. CAL, with more narrowbodies will see more favorable slotting in that part of the list. JMHO

80ktsClamp

These are very realistic expecations.

Furloughs will be placed on the bottom as they are not on property. Sucks, but that's the way it is.



As far as the snapshot, it was yesterday.

AAflyer

How does it take into account pilots that have the seniority to hold wide-body positions, but fly narrow body for QOL?


Thanks

AA

thor2j

With all do respect UAL brings pretty much nothing to the table. Crying, not salivating. Not one pilot at CAL wanted everything to do with this disaster (ok, maybe one). You may bring many more wide bodies, but you bring a huge anchor. Your upgrade times are more then double ours. That far outweighs your "heavy" flying. You must understand, a 2005 hire is 40% 75/76. We have different classifications then you. Our 738 and 739 pays the same as 75.

Why do you think it is fair that a CAL pilot a 50% on the F/O list holding holding 16-18 days off a month with 76 flying should now be behind your reserve guys?

I agree, relative seniority is not fair. We should, and hopefully get, career expectations plus relative seniority. I believe along with 4700 others that we have a very good case along with past precedents.

We shall see how it shall pan out. Nobody will be happy, but if you look at history relative seniority is everything, sorry. Currently 50%, stay 50%. Strange you can argue that.

thor2j

Doesn't take career expectations into account.

jsled

It goes by bodies in seats. UAL has xx w/b positions, CAL has xx. After the integration, those ratios should be about the same and at the top of the list. It doesn't matter what the pilots within those numbers actually fly/bid. Does that make sense?