Military Flight Time Conversion
10-01-2007, 10:50 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by c17heavy
ref is afi 11-401, pg 92.
"The landing is when the aircraft is on the ground after being airborne and any of the following conditions occur: (a) The engines are stopped and shutdown occurs at or before five minutes after touchdown. (b) The aircraft has been on the ground for five minutes after touchdown; however, a series of practice landings is considered one flight. (c) A change is made in the crew where a crewmember enplanes or deplanes."
...the addition of 5 min is debated by some.
"The landing is when the aircraft is on the ground after being airborne and any of the following conditions occur: (a) The engines are stopped and shutdown occurs at or before five minutes after touchdown. (b) The aircraft has been on the ground for five minutes after touchdown; however, a series of practice landings is considered one flight. (c) A change is made in the crew where a crewmember enplanes or deplanes."
...the addition of 5 min is debated by some.
10-02-2007, 05:36 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e
Still trying to figure out what's debatable about that. Seems pretty clear to me -- what's the argument AGAINST landing + 5?
no where does it say to add 5 minutes. it defines what gmt hack to write in. for instance, if you land and one minute later you shut down engines, you're not supposed to indiscriminitely add 5 minutes.
some would argue that it defines when to break the forms (781s) if you plan on taking off again (outside of 5 minutes) and/or conduct ground operations before engine shut down.
in the first case, if you land at 0001 then takeoff at 0015, your 781 entry should be 0001 land time with a subsequent 0015 takeoff time annotated as a new entry in your 781.
in the second case (for ground ops i.e. combat offload, backing, etc in the c-17), if you land at 0001, perform ground ops, then shutdown engines at 0015, you still log a 0001 land time.
that's not to say i follow the above argument, it's just what some people interpret.
10-02-2007, 05:55 PM
#24
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I'm w/ the single seater on that one GMAFB. Postings like that make it time to shop for another S1S. If you land and shut down in one minute it better be after running the evacuation check and a nice TMAAT. You get .2 or .3 for the sortie from most companies, don't waste the bandwidth!
10-04-2007, 02:01 AM
#25
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Last I saw the AC has the final say on 781 times and most of the time that poor loadmaster has a watch running 5-10 mins off the gps clock so yes there are times when I have added 2 - 12 mins to what my misinformed youth downstairs has put on paper. So if I'm told to land and wait for parking, no thanks I'll just burn another turn in the pattern or hold at frank until it gets worked out.
08-07-2013, 08:10 AM
#30
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A shot in the dark but does anyone know if you can even list RPA time on airlineapps? I have enough single seat time to meet the minimums for ATP and Airlines but wasn't sure if I should add the 1600 hrs of RPA time . I see options for gliders so I figured if someone can log time for a glider maybe I can throw up RPA time for dropping bombs. I'm expecting a lot of FXIII close in the face with this post so I won't be offended when you guys laugh. Just asking the question.
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