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Old 08-18-2010, 04:09 PM   #21 (permalink)
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, but CCs worth their salt will support this if they can.
IF THEY CAN.....yes...but in this day and age its not that easy. As a CC I know. I sort of disagree with your statement above...do you know what is involved in deploying a unit? Taking care of a 8-10 AC PAA unit? Probably not. After thinking I edited this..at first it irritated me to be honest...you have to understand in today (At least USAF) Reserve units....it would hurt the unit as a whole to let a guy, especially a decent pilot, go to one of these tours. If the USAF was serious about this they'd man the frickin plane vs taking the cheap/easy road and thinking they can just throw MPA days at it. If I have bums who need pay, I make sure they get work...in my wing.


I came from AFSOC..I understand special missions and I am CC of a flying unit that deploys quite often. I support my folks as much as I can but the needs of my unit come before the needs of a MC-12. (Whose mission, BTW is nowhere near as glamarous as people make it out to be). I have had guys ask me about the RCs at Hurlburt and I told them I would allow it if it was not a conflict with our tasked deployments. But guess what...6 months of training and deploying IS a conflict with any unit these days

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Old 08-18-2010, 04:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
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IF THEY CAN.....yes...but in this day and age its not that easy. As a CC I know. I sort of disagree with your statement above...do you know what is involved in deploying a unit? Taking care of a 8-10 AC PAA unit? Probably not. Might want to re-word this.


I came from AFSOC..I understand special missions and I am CC of a flying unit that deploys quite often. I support my folks as much as I can but the needs of my unit come before the needs of a MC-12. (Whose mission, BTW is nowhere near as glamarous as people make it out to be)

I have had guys ask me about the RCs at Hurlburt and I told them I would allow it if it was not a conflict with our tasked deployments. But guess what...6 months of training and deploying IS a conflict with any unit these days
<Arrogant, pompous paragraph deleted... Sorry, W>

You're spot on... it's not easy today, especially for some units. That's why I put the qualifier - CCs worth their salt... if they can. And also why I recommended getting the chain involved before they go VFR-direct to AFPC.

And you're right - the needs of your mission come first - that's what you've been tasked with. But for the dude/dudette who is a frustrated REMF seat-filler, I'd hope that if the CC can support it, he/she will. And being the world-class CC I hope you are, it sounds like you'd be all over that bandwagon also (or the myriad other bandwagons like the 'Died, C-27s, T-6s to Iraq, BACN, etc, etc, etc, etc) as long as you can keep the fires burning and tires turning.

And glamourous? Glamour/schlamour. Some folks just want to get in the fight a bit deeper than they can with an AFSO21 project. OF course, there's always the danger that you'll end up doing exactly that because someone has pulled their integrity circuit breaker and played the GWOT card to justify pulling in yet another rated staff officer into a "mission critical" billet more suitably filled by a Lt waiting for UPT. (Rant off).

Take your chances, and play whatever you get dealt.

BTW, they're not at Hurlburt yet - still Huntsville for training and only "based" downrange. W/aircraft and predeployment training it's more like 8-9 months away from the mission. Yes, it hurts.

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Since you took a breath rewrote a bit on reflection, I did also, and smoothed my rooster feathers.

I get your point, reading my original post. Some of the guys might read it and say "Hey, my CC won't support this, so he's a tool."

So to clarify: Unless you're catching the HHQ arrows, spears, and defecation for every slip in mission execution like your CC is, don't assume that just because you think your unit can manage you being gone for a 120/179/365, that it can. Trust me, your CC is painfully aware of every body he is fat or skinny vs. mission requirements. Subtract from what he has on the books PCS outs/ins, MQT, Leave, use/lose leave, non-vol 365s that don't get backfill, upgrades, SOS, DNIFs, pregnancies, paternity leave (a new killer), compassionates, and the folks that the next rung up the ladder has pulled up for their pet projects or made-up positions, and you start to get a better picture.

Maybe I've got the full-up Blue-lobotomy, but most of the CCs I know are worth their salt. If they say no, they've got a good reason. But if they can say yes, they will. So ask him/her first before you go talking to AFPC.
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BTW, they're not at Hurlburt yet - still Huntsville for training and only "based" downrange. W/aircraft and predeployment training it's more like 8-9 months away from the mission. Yes, it hurts.
MC-12s or some other airframe (like U-28s or PC-12/NSAs)?

So far as I know, they're not headed to Herbie, and the training is currently at Meridian (but probably headed to Beale based on comments from guys going through Meridian).
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Old 08-19-2010, 04:18 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Just as a side note to what I posted on the earlier thread about the Centerline Thrust Restricted ME ratings and training at Flight Safety...

Apparently that door has closed; although they have done it in the past, currently FSI will not do any additional training during the course to remove CLT restrictions due to how the contract with the USAF has been written for MC-12 training.

For people who want to get the ATP and Be-300 type rating as part of the process, they must have the prereqs met (non-restricted ME and completed ATP written) on day one of training in Atlanta.
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For those that are interested in the C-12s downrange, I can tell you that the work being done is good stuff. I do not know the exact role of the AF MC-12s in Afghanistan, but I know mostly what is going on Iraq with civilian and army birds. Sometimes things go stale, but then you meet a MRAP crew that is thankful for the work we do. It goes along way.
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