Military currency and applications
#11
I kind of think this isn't going to change for total time...as a manned aviator you know there is a difference. Obviously you wouldn't want someone with 10 hours of actual pilot time and 3000 Pred hours flying your family around in an airliner.
#12
New Hire
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Currency in today's market and beyond
Question on currency. Any new hires coming off of staff tours? There is a possibility I may be on staff tour when my commitment is up. I heard from a retired airline guy that even flying Part 91 aircraft will keep me current in the airline's eyes, but I can't imagine a couple of hours in a cessna would make me competitive, even with over 3000 hrs. Airlines may be more desperate in 3-4 years when my time will be up, but any info on this topic would be much appreciated.
#14
I don't think that 200 hours in the last year is really a requirement.
(EDIT: I just realized the OP was from 2011. Maybe 200 hours in the last year was a requirement back then... I don't believe it is now)
Here is a copy/paste of what most of the majors require:
Delta:
United:
American:
Southwest:
None of the above say anything about needing 200 hours in the last year, and I personally know a few people who have been hired recently with a lot less than that. Flight recency will definitely help, but I don't think it's a deal breaker if your resume and the rest of your app is strong.
(EDIT: I just realized the OP was from 2011. Maybe 200 hours in the last year was a requirement back then... I don't believe it is now)
Here is a copy/paste of what most of the majors require:
Delta:
General Requirements
At least 23 years of age.
Graduate of a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a U.S. Dept. of Education recognized accrediting organization.
Degrees obtained from a non-U.S. institution must be evaluated for equivalency to U.S. degrees by a member organization of the National Association of Credential Evaluation Services (NACES).
Current passport or other travel documents enabling the bearer to freely exit and re-enter the U.S. (multiple reentry status) and be legally eligible to work in the U.S. (possess proper working documents).
FAA Requirements
FAA commercial fixed-wing pilot license with an instrument rating.
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate.
Meets ALL minimum FAA ATP requirements including successful completion of the ATP written exam.
Flight Time Requirements
Minimum of 1,500 hours of total documented flight time
Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed wing turboprop or turbofan time.
When evaluating the flight time of applicants meeting the basic qualifications, consideration will be given to, among other things, quality, quantity, recency, and verifiability of training; complexity of aircraft flown; types of flight operations; and hours flown as PIC in turbine powered aircraft.
Other Requirements
Applicants invited to interview must provide appropriate documentation of all flight hours and college transcripts.
FCC Radiotelephone Operator's Permit (RP).
DOT required pre-employment drug test and a medical exam administered by Delta.
TSA required fingerprint based Criminal History Records Check and a Delta background check.
At least 23 years of age.
Graduate of a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a U.S. Dept. of Education recognized accrediting organization.
Degrees obtained from a non-U.S. institution must be evaluated for equivalency to U.S. degrees by a member organization of the National Association of Credential Evaluation Services (NACES).
Current passport or other travel documents enabling the bearer to freely exit and re-enter the U.S. (multiple reentry status) and be legally eligible to work in the U.S. (possess proper working documents).
FAA Requirements
FAA commercial fixed-wing pilot license with an instrument rating.
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate.
Meets ALL minimum FAA ATP requirements including successful completion of the ATP written exam.
Flight Time Requirements
Minimum of 1,500 hours of total documented flight time
Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed wing turboprop or turbofan time.
When evaluating the flight time of applicants meeting the basic qualifications, consideration will be given to, among other things, quality, quantity, recency, and verifiability of training; complexity of aircraft flown; types of flight operations; and hours flown as PIC in turbine powered aircraft.
Other Requirements
Applicants invited to interview must provide appropriate documentation of all flight hours and college transcripts.
FCC Radiotelephone Operator's Permit (RP).
DOT required pre-employment drug test and a medical exam administered by Delta.
TSA required fingerprint based Criminal History Records Check and a Delta background check.
Certification Requirements
Unrestricted FAA ATP certificate with airplane multiengine class rating
Current FAA first-class medical certificate
FCC Restricted Radiotelephone operator’s license
Flight Time Requirements
Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time
Applicants invited to interview will be asked to provide documentation of all flight experience. When reviewing flight time, consideration will be given to quality, quantity, and recency of experience.
General Requirements
Current Passport
Legal right to work in the United States
High School diploma or GED equivalent
Bachelor’s degree from accredited school is preferred
Unrestricted FAA ATP certificate with airplane multiengine class rating
Current FAA first-class medical certificate
FCC Restricted Radiotelephone operator’s license
Flight Time Requirements
Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time
Applicants invited to interview will be asked to provide documentation of all flight experience. When reviewing flight time, consideration will be given to quality, quantity, and recency of experience.
General Requirements
Current Passport
Legal right to work in the United States
High School diploma or GED equivalent
Bachelor’s degree from accredited school is preferred
Qualifications
Here is what it takes to be a successful pilot at American:
· Excellent communication skills and quick and accurate decision making
· Close attention to detail
· Minimum age of 23
· Ability to work varying hours of the day or night, on weekends and holidays
· Must be able to secure appropriate airport authority and/or Customs security badges
· Fulfillment of FAA criminal background checks
· Ability to learn and work with PEDs
· Distance vision corrected to 20/20 and near vision corrected to 20/40 or better in each eye
· Current Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) rating (multi-engine) or a valid ATP written test
· Valid FCC Restricted Radio Telephone Operator permit
· Valid First Class Medical Certificate
· Flight time in accordance with all FAA requirements
· Must be able to fluently speak and understand English
· Must have the right to work in the United States
· Additionally, we require all of our pilots to have a valid passport and documentation allowing for entry into the United States after an international flight.
Here is what it takes to be a successful pilot at American:
· Excellent communication skills and quick and accurate decision making
· Close attention to detail
· Minimum age of 23
· Ability to work varying hours of the day or night, on weekends and holidays
· Must be able to secure appropriate airport authority and/or Customs security badges
· Fulfillment of FAA criminal background checks
· Ability to learn and work with PEDs
· Distance vision corrected to 20/20 and near vision corrected to 20/40 or better in each eye
· Current Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) rating (multi-engine) or a valid ATP written test
· Valid FCC Restricted Radio Telephone Operator permit
· Valid First Class Medical Certificate
· Flight time in accordance with all FAA requirements
· Must be able to fluently speak and understand English
· Must have the right to work in the United States
· Additionally, we require all of our pilots to have a valid passport and documentation allowing for entry into the United States after an international flight.
Certificates/Ratings: U.S. FAA Airline Transport Pilot Certificate. Unrestricted U.S. ATP
Age: Must be at least 23 years of age.
Flight Experience: 2,500 hours total or 1,500 hours Turbine total. Additionally, a minimum of 1,000 hours in Turbine aircraft as the Pilot in Command* is required. Southwest considers only Pilot time in fixed-wing aircraft. This specifically excludes simulator, WSO, RIO, FE, NAV, EWO, etc. "Other Time" will not be considered.
Currency: Experience should include actively flying two of the last five years.
FCC Radiotelephone Operator Permit.
Medical: Must possess a current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate. Must pass FAA mandated Drug Test.
Authorization to work in the United States: Must have established authorization to work in the United States.
Must possess a valid United States Driver's License and a valid passport or a Refugee Travel Document.
Education: graduation from accredited, four-year College preferred.
Letters of Recommendation: At least three letters from any individuals who can attest to the pilot's flying skills, by having observed him/her over a sustained period of time.
Age: Must be at least 23 years of age.
Flight Experience: 2,500 hours total or 1,500 hours Turbine total. Additionally, a minimum of 1,000 hours in Turbine aircraft as the Pilot in Command* is required. Southwest considers only Pilot time in fixed-wing aircraft. This specifically excludes simulator, WSO, RIO, FE, NAV, EWO, etc. "Other Time" will not be considered.
Currency: Experience should include actively flying two of the last five years.
FCC Radiotelephone Operator Permit.
Medical: Must possess a current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate. Must pass FAA mandated Drug Test.
Authorization to work in the United States: Must have established authorization to work in the United States.
Must possess a valid United States Driver's License and a valid passport or a Refugee Travel Document.
Education: graduation from accredited, four-year College preferred.
Letters of Recommendation: At least three letters from any individuals who can attest to the pilot's flying skills, by having observed him/her over a sustained period of time.
#15
You're much better off with significant turbine time in the last year, but Cessna private pilot time is better than nothing. If your highly competitive otherwise you'll probably be able to get a job but you may not get called as fast by your first preference.
#16
Question on currency. Any new hires coming off of staff tours? There is a possibility I may be on staff tour when my commitment is up. I heard from a retired airline guy that even flying Part 91 aircraft will keep me current in the airline's eyes, but I can't imagine a couple of hours in a cessna would make me competitive, even with over 3000 hrs. Airlines may be more desperate in 3-4 years when my time will be up, but any info on this topic would be much appreciated.
#17
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I don't think that 200 hours in the last year is really a requirement.
(EDIT: I just realized the OP was from 2011. Maybe 200 hours in the last year was a requirement back then... I don't believe it is now)
Here is a copy/paste of what most of the majors require:
None of the above say anything about needing 200 hours in the last year, and I personally know a few people who have been hired recently with a lot less than that. Flight recency will definitely help, but I don't think it's a deal breaker if your resume and the rest of your app is strong.
(EDIT: I just realized the OP was from 2011. Maybe 200 hours in the last year was a requirement back then... I don't believe it is now)
Here is a copy/paste of what most of the majors require:
None of the above say anything about needing 200 hours in the last year, and I personally know a few people who have been hired recently with a lot less than that. Flight recency will definitely help, but I don't think it's a deal breaker if your resume and the rest of your app is strong.
Fill out the applications. There is a section of the app that asks for hours flown in the last X months.
I can tell you for a fact (straight from the previous UAL Hiring Manager) that less than 100 hours in 12 does not get past the filter to be seen by the hiring department. For that matter neither does an app without a 1st class medical w/in the lass 6 months. If that requirement has changed, it would be news to me.
To answer the other question on flying GA during your good deal twilight desk job, do it. I can point you to at least half a dozen guys, with several thousand total time, who did nothing but GA flying during their last tour to keep that currency block as far north of 100 as possible. All have been hired, myself included.
#18
Regarding this statement, I had heard something like this before, so does that mean, I need to re-up my first class medical every 6 months? I am 8 months from coming off active duty, and have a valid 1st right now, but won't 8 months from now.
#19
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,187
Search the topic, it's been discussed extensively. But short answer, yes. Before this thread turns into another stupid argument about whether this is fair, or needed, or whatever.... it's the requirement setup in as one of UAL's filters, period.
#20
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 217
Post Mil flying tour now volunteering
What about Volunteering? Just separated, just got my apps in and am now volunteering about 5-10 hours a week. My plan is to stay current flying C-172. If not hired in 7-8 months by a major, I'll apply and jump on the Regionals to pad my currency and get actual airline experience.
Obviously currency trumps volunteering, but I've kept hearing down the pipe that airlines are looking for more well rounded individuals to break out. Now this place really really needs my time the next couple of months which if I'm waiting for a call anyway is no big deal. But am I going to get hammered for a 7-8 month gap being basically unemployed, while just maintaining currency in a ASEL?
I'm a 2,000 hour fighter guy for what it's worth.
Obviously currency trumps volunteering, but I've kept hearing down the pipe that airlines are looking for more well rounded individuals to break out. Now this place really really needs my time the next couple of months which if I'm waiting for a call anyway is no big deal. But am I going to get hammered for a 7-8 month gap being basically unemployed, while just maintaining currency in a ASEL?
I'm a 2,000 hour fighter guy for what it's worth.