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06-25-2014, 02:20 PM

#71

Sluggo_63

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy

I'd keep examiner as PIC.

I wouldn't. The whole idea is that you are not responsible if something goes wrong. You are evaluating the PIC and his co-pilot perform their duties. You are not responsible for the flight.

My $0.02. They're worth what you paid for them.

P.S. The people on here that will say that they would be called in on the carpet as an EP if the A-code did something wrong has Shi++y leadership & Stan/Eval.

06-26-2014, 05:18 AM

#72

LowSlowT2

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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63

You obviously live in a different world...not right or wrong, better or worse, just different.

06-26-2014, 07:47 AM

#73

CruisenAv8r

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy

I'd keep examiner as PIC. Some companies used to put that on their website (UPS was one).

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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63

Actually, I have taken out the Examiner time when I was doing mission evals, but kept the PIC when I was flying around the flag pole, as I was the A-code.

As always, appreciate the perspectives.

06-26-2014, 05:37 PM

#74

flygirl135

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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

Obviously this is a personal choice. If extra busy work is just your thing, than have at it. However, if you're done or close to being done with the military flying, you probably have more productive ways to prep for the airlines, IMO. How hard is it to take your sortie count and multiply it by the amount the airline requests? Once you figure out the PIC total (most airlines use signing for the a/c these days), there's not much more to it. If an airline gives you some specific instructions on presenting your flight time, I'd try to follow them.

So, at the interview:
"Ms. Smith, did you apply the .3 military conversion to each sortie IAW with our application instructions?"
"No, I decided to use .2 per sortie"
"Oh...... do you usually have difficulty following such specific instructions?"

And away we go...............

So, you show up with two different printout of basically the same information (that took you 2-3 years to compile into an e-logbook)?
If I was the interviewer, I'd give you a ding for headwork. What exactly are they going to "verify" that's not already documented in the USAF's official flight record?

Well, let's see... I logged each sortie WITH the .2 added well before I applied to a major airline. My military flight records do not reflect taxi time. As it's not proper to simply multiply total time by whichever factor you use, I e-logged with the conversion and provided originals to back it up. Thanks for the attitude, but this is the proper way to do it. United thanked me for doing it that way, so I'm pretty sure they didn't give me a "ding for headwork". It's no different than transferring an old paper logbook into e-format... You are still required to bring the originals...

06-26-2014, 07:12 PM

#75

Adlerdriver

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Originally Posted by flygirl135

Well, let's see... I logged each sortie WITH the .2 added well before I applied to a major airline.

Why would anyone do this for any reason OTHER than applying to an airline?

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Originally Posted by flygirl135

My military flight records do not reflect taxi time.

None of ours did.

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Originally Posted by flygirl135

As it's not proper to simply multiply total time by whichever factor you use, I e-logged with the conversion and provided originals to back it up.

I never said it was proper to multiply total time by anything. I said multiply sortie count by the particular airline's conversion amount (assuming their conversion is on a per flight basis as most seem to be).

Maybe this is harder to do in the heavy world with all your PIC iterations. I had a total sortie count at the bottom of my AFORMS summary page. I subtracted whatever sorties didn't meet the PIC sniff test and had a total PIC sortie count. I multiplied that sortie total by whatever airline X gave me as a conversion and added those hours to my PIC for a converted mil to civilian PIC total. Definitely not worth hours and hours of entering already tabulated USAF hours into an e-logbook unless that's just your thing.

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Originally Posted by flygirl135

Thanks for the attitude, but this is the proper way to do it. United thanked me for doing it that way, so I'm pretty sure they didn't give me a "ding for headwork". It's no different than transferring an old paper logbook into e-format... You are still required to bring the originals...

I didn't say UAL would ding you, I said I would. I also didn't say the method you're using is incorrect. I said it was unnecessary, but not wrong. UAL was quite happy with my USAF flight records and a cover sheet explaining the math. They thanked me for doing it that way too. So, obviously either way is acceptable depending on how much time one has to prepare for their interview.