To VSP or not to VSP?
01-28-2014, 05:05 PM
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: 73N FO
Posts: 179
Originally Posted by ghilis101
how long does it take to separate from AD these days? My palace chase back in 2005 took about 3 months. Go ahead and get all your applications in now with availability dates in the summer. If you get a call by UAL/DAL you likely wont see a class date for at least 6 months anyway. Gets you plenty of time to get approved for VSP/Palace Chase or Front/straight separation with guard or reserve job later in the future. Get your app in now and get in line, and start heavily networking. Patience is important, but start the process now. Good luck to all, I've had my app in with DAL and UAL since 2006, updating monthly for the last 3 years 
01-28-2014, 05:19 PM
#22
La Familia Delta
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B-717 FO / C-17 AC
Posts: 2,467
Originally Posted by Jetnfast
Pretty much sums up my game plan. I am figuring approx. 6 months worst case to separate/palace chase especially with the A1 paperwork log jam that is ensuing with all the force shaping happening. I really wish I didn't sign the 4 year GI bill transfer when I did (17 months left), but AFPC assures me all I need is to palace chase and it will be honored since UPT commitment expired 3 months ago....who knows if they are right though.
01-28-2014, 05:25 PM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: 73N FO
Posts: 179
Originally Posted by ghilis101
good deal. commitments are totally waiverable. I left AD with 3.5 years active service, I owed 1.5 years on my USAF Academy commitment. They waived it no problem. If youre going reserves, that probably helps your case I think.
01-29-2014, 07:47 AM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 73
Posts: 225
To VSP or not to VSP?
Don't get too discouraged, in 07 it was competitive too. Biggest thing is to get all your ducks in a row, network and get LORs.
I was able to snag 4 interviews in 07(CAL, DAL, NWA, AirTran), with only 700 hours of FW ME PIC. Granted, I had 3.2K TT but 1.5K if that was in helos.
Network!
Apply everywhere, take terminal LV whenever you get hired by anybody. I've had friends get out, take a job at a regional, leave during training, go to a 747 cargo operator for 6 month then snag a job at a major.
The scariest thing is taking the leap. If you WANT to get out, get out.
Good luck
I was able to snag 4 interviews in 07(CAL, DAL, NWA, AirTran), with only 700 hours of FW ME PIC. Granted, I had 3.2K TT but 1.5K if that was in helos.
Network!
Apply everywhere, take terminal LV whenever you get hired by anybody. I've had friends get out, take a job at a regional, leave during training, go to a 747 cargo operator for 6 month then snag a job at a major.
The scariest thing is taking the leap. If you WANT to get out, get out.
Good luck
01-29-2014, 04:14 PM
#28
Otto
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Turkish Pile Driver
Posts: 1,806
Originally Posted by crewdawg
Which airlines do not count your UPT time?
"**PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot in Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander n the appropriate aircraft. Time logged as "Other Time" will not be considered."
Because SWA only has categories for PIC, SIC, and IP any student time does not get counted. It's likely there are others but I've got so many apps in I'm not going to double check every single one.
01-29-2014, 04:34 PM
#29
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 18
Originally Posted by MikeF16
This is cut and pasted from the SWA application site:
"**PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot in Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander n the appropriate aircraft. Time logged as "Other Time" will not be considered."
Because SWA only has categories for PIC, SIC, and IP any student time does not get counted. It's likely there are others but I've got so many apps in I'm not going to double check every single one.
"**PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot in Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander n the appropriate aircraft. Time logged as "Other Time" will not be considered."
Because SWA only has categories for PIC, SIC, and IP any student time does not get counted. It's likely there are others but I've got so many apps in I'm not going to double check every single one.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
