Sputnik

So, a year later than I should have been, I'm finally attempting to find a post mil job. Great story, anyway I knew filling out apps was time-consuming, but I'm confused about a few things on the site and hope some of folks who have already done this can help out.

- Sorties. Converting the hours was as complex as expected, but what about sorties? Do you have to fill that out, and if so what did you guys do? I used a logic and am comfortable I can explain what and why, but at heart it really is bs. All I have is total sorties in my records. Do I even need to fill that part out?

- Landings. Even more confusing, is there some magic number I'm aiming at? Leave blank?

- Employment history. I've seen it on here a few times that 'they' want your employment history back to high school. And not military as one huge chunk, but broken down. Broken down how--each PCS? Or each job--you know how you switch jobs once a year or so? On that, supervisor? I can find guys for the past 6 years or so, I mean find current phone numbers. But what about my flight commander when I was a T-37 FAIP?

Appreciate any help

WARich

Yeah, landings, you must be filling out the AA app, I just started it this weekend and have no clue on how many landings (seems a little trivial to me, I mean I can get as many landings as they want, I'll just split them between the student and I. lol ) Sorties, you should be able to go the HARM office (or equivalent) and look at your records which will show each individual sortie. As for the military employment history, I've just broken it down to PCS location. Don't know if its correct, but I can justify and explain in more detail if required.

T6 Pilot

Personally, I am breaking down my employment history to reflect OPR status….I want to show progression from UPT to EP/FCF and all the things in between. I figure the best way to accomplish that was to break it down like this.

FlyBoyd

For Pilot Credentials not Creditionials right?

I used each PCS to show my work history. I left out TAD/TDY from each place unless it enhanced my resume or justified a gap in flying. I only listed my last job in the squadron as, usually, it was the most important i.e. "Operations Officer / Stan Eval Instructor Pilot." For Supervisor contact info I listed the last CO of each squadron/command. I actually tracked them down and asked them (notified really) that I was listing their current number and to expect a call. Only my current/last CO got a call. For the way back ones when I was in flight training, college or enlisted, I did the best I could but many had "unknown" or even "N/A base closed."

Yes, I broke down landings per aircraft. The number you are aiming for is whatever is the truth.

I input raw flight time and then number or sorties per category (IP/PIC/SIC etc) per platform. It was a PITA (I had 9 different planes/models) but it accurately represented my experience. I guess this might be where a Navy guy actually has the advantage with our crappy logbooks.

It did suck. I hated doing it but using the techniques above got me a job , so there's that.

While you want to stand out, choosing not to use the tool provided or leaving blanks will be frowned upon. To be brutally honest, if you don't take the time to complete it as they want you to, why would they want to take their time to meet you?

PRS Guitars

Been awhile since I filled this out...

For AA it looks like you just enter your raw hours and raw sorties. The computer will calculate your conversion. All you need to do is figure out which of your sorties were PIC etc.

For landings, just estimate. For trainers I estimated an average of 3 per sortie for fighters 1 per sortie. I've always just logged 1 landing per sortie to update currency. I had to do the same thing for civilian time as I only logged landings for FAA currency. I doubt they even care, just be able to justify the number.

For employment, I used all PCS's and my best sounding job title, but did describe every job I had under the description.

AA never emailed me for video interview or TBNT for what it's worth. Though I'll be working there anyway once this merger is complete.


Keep in mind that airlineapps is a bit different.

Sputnik

I hate you.

Also, agree with your sentiments about filling it out the way they want, just not entirely sure how to do it. My AF records show hours (EP/IP/Pri/Sec/Other/Inst/Night/etc) in each airframe. No tracking of landings whatsoever. While I can make a quite reasonable conversion of hours to PIC/SIC, doing same with sorties is much more difficult.

PRS--could total WAG 0.75-1 per trainer sortie (I don't take a landing every time, depends how long since I've landed and what the student needs to see). But in the C17...not so easy. In general, I made up a number that was reasonable, but definitely conservative. I can aim for the truth, but reality is there is no record.

Far as the job history, I'm almost positively overthinking it. I started by looking at my duty history and doing that line by line. I'll probably just stick with that. The job description line barely has enough room to describe each job, much less the 3-4 in a typical tour. I'll put down whoever signed each OPR and a contact if I have one.

Thanks everyone for the replies

tnelson

Getting set to upload my application and resume to Pilot Credentials. Is anyone attaching a cover letter as well? If so, is there any gouge on who to address it to? The only posts I could find are a couple years old, so not sure if they are relevant.

Thanks for the help

tnelson

Forgot to mention that American is the target for this app if someone has the name/address, but if there is a list available for others, appreciate a point out.

Thanks..

andrew963500

I think breaking your military career by PCS is great, and a good way to show each step in your progression, but I also think that just listing your work history as USAF, for example and the timeframe of your service is acceptable. List your highlights under experience, such as Safety School, Chief of Stan Eval...

Going through my apps, I did my best to estimate landings. There is no absolute accurate assessment, unless you've been meticulous enough over your career to keep a personal log of all your military time.

Lastly, as long as you have a justified method of breaking down your time, and can explain it logically in an interview you should be good. Just know what that is when it comes up.

MPAdriver

Concur with FlyBoyd. I did it same as him, hired at UAL!

Good luck.