Training at Laughlin
04-07-2014, 03:17 AM
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Training at Laughlin
Does anyone know the real story about what is going on in Laughlin with the T6 program. At least one entire class has been set back twice and inbound students are being canceled. Looks like no new students into the flight portion for at least a month.
04-07-2014, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by reCALcitrant
I'm at Laughlin on the T38 side. The AF is broke and we don't have the manpower or mx manpower to keep up with the student load. Post war downsizing should be player shortly. Happens after every war.
04-07-2014, 05:46 AM
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Budget, FTU backlog and Mx. All of the other bases are NOT doing just fine....you have no clue. The timeline is very fluid, this happens more than you think.
When a class starts UPT, there is some idea as to where the students (by the numbers) will go. This trickles down thru AFPC into the AETC world. This is all based on a number of sorties being able to be flown, money for hours, money for mx, money for hookers and blow.
If one of the latter 3 is missing, production stops -- read any business book. Currently, ATS is low, FCF capability is low, manning is low. The ability to turn a jet into a 4 turn has diminished. No jets + no IP's = no lines. Over a given period, it starts to backlog.
Bottom line, it is a much larger picture than you want to grasp.
When a class starts UPT, there is some idea as to where the students (by the numbers) will go. This trickles down thru AFPC into the AETC world. This is all based on a number of sorties being able to be flown, money for hours, money for mx, money for hookers and blow.
If one of the latter 3 is missing, production stops -- read any business book. Currently, ATS is low, FCF capability is low, manning is low. The ability to turn a jet into a 4 turn has diminished. No jets + no IP's = no lines. Over a given period, it starts to backlog.
Bottom line, it is a much larger picture than you want to grasp.
04-07-2014, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by T6 Pilot
Budget, FTU backlog and Mx. All of the other bases are NOT doing just fine....you have no clue. The timeline is very fluid, this happens more than you think.
When a class starts UPT, there is some idea as to where the students (by the numbers) will go. This trickles down thru AFPC into the AETC world. This is all based on a number of sorties being able to be flown, money for hours, money for mx, money for hookers and blow.
If one of the latter 3 is missing, production stops -- read any business book. Currently, ATS is low, FCF capability is low, manning is low. The ability to turn a jet into a 4 turn has diminished. No jets + no IP's = no lines. Over a given period, it starts to backlog.
Bottom line, it is a much larger picture than you want to grasp.
When a class starts UPT, there is some idea as to where the students (by the numbers) will go. This trickles down thru AFPC into the AETC world. This is all based on a number of sorties being able to be flown, money for hours, money for mx, money for hookers and blow.
If one of the latter 3 is missing, production stops -- read any business book. Currently, ATS is low, FCF capability is low, manning is low. The ability to turn a jet into a 4 turn has diminished. No jets + no IP's = no lines. Over a given period, it starts to backlog.
Bottom line, it is a much larger picture than you want to grasp.
04-07-2014, 07:29 AM
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Training at Laughlin
Laughlin has a bigger student load than the other UPT bases as well, mostly because the flying weather is traditionally better. Over the winter they can get behind on the time line due to low ceilings slowing down the contact and solo sections of the syllabus. Once they get too far behind they don't have the capacity to make up the backlog and they have to enroll a ghost class, or an empty class to use those jets and IPs to get the actual students caught up. We had to do this in 2009-2010 due to unusually long periods of low ceilings in Nov-Dec of 09. All the other factors listed above also make the problem worse and decreases the capacity to catch up without canceling a class.
04-07-2014, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ewok
Laughlin has a bigger student load than the other UPT bases as well, mostly because the flying weather is traditionally better. Over the winter they can get behind on the time line due to low ceilings slowing down the contact and solo sections of the syllabus. Once they get too far behind they don't have the capacity to make up the backlog and they have to enroll a ghost class, or an empty class to use those jets and IPs to get the actual students caught up. We had to do this in 2009-2010 due to unusually long periods of low ceilings in Nov-Dec of 09. All the other factors listed above also make the problem worse and decreases the capacity to catch up without canceling a class.
Thanks EWOK, that makes sense with the wild winter wx the country has had. I am not going to flight training at Laughlin. That's long in my past.
04-07-2014, 08:17 AM
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If they're hurting for pilots, I'd be more than happy to volunteer to go to Laughlin. I'd cancel my VSP application today if I got orders to be a T-6 IP. Instead, they're driving guys like me out with the promise of 8 years in a GCS.
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