Hulljas

I am 90% done with my Airlineapps.com profile and want to publish soon but I can't seem to reconcile my logbook to the categories they have in the flight times portion of the application. I have two specific questions that I can't seem to find a good answer for. Thanks in advance.

1. I am a P-3/EP-3 pilot with about 800 hrs of Navy A/C commander time. This time includes about 250 hours where the other two pilots were in the seats flying but I signed for the plane and was still the "final authority". If I put the full 800 hrs into PIC time on the application, my total pilot hours in model is off by that 250. Do the airlines expect me to short myself the PIC time or accept the extra under total time? The other option I have is to maybe short the dual or SIC time but I don't want to have to explain too many discrepancies if/when I get an interview.

2. I also did an instructor tour in the T-6B (tandem seat but legally single-piloted). Most of those hours were instructor/PIC time, and I'm logging the hours where I was being given a checkride or qual upgrade as Dual received. The question I have is there's about 30-50 hours where it was just another instructor and me out for a joyride (proficiency flight). I did not sign for the A/C and no real "instruction" was being given so do I just not get to log those hours?

Fly Safe!

rickair7777

On the joyrides, somebody had to be the PIC. Did the other guys log it? Did you keep track? If you don't know if the other guy logged it, probably best to just consider it an airplane ride and not include the time...on the very slight chance that the other guy applied to the same airline and somebody notices the overlap. Odds are low that anyone would ever notice but still.

full of luv

Every one recognizes that pic time plus copilot time will exceed total flt time. Most airlines have three and four piloted crews. Pic is pic whether you are at the controls or not. I had nearly 800 hrs like you described and it was never an issue.

Best of luck!

Hulljas

In all of these situations the other pilot was the one who signed the book as PIC. I was mostly just trying to find a way to not lose those 50 hours of total flight time, but I figured that that was how it was going to happen.

My biggest concern is my online application looking different than my official logbooks and the potential questions in the interview about those discrepancies. I want to be able to show the people on the other side of the table that I'm not trying to put one over on them. I'm sure there is a "standard" or acceptable way to account for the differences I am just trying to figure out what that way is.

rickair7777

Unless they gave you dual, it was an airplane ride. Some folks log such as total time only just for the sake of documentation, but since it doesn't count as PIC, SIC, or dual I don't log it it all...saves confusion later.


As long as you know why the delta exists and can logically explain why you did it that way it's fine. Civilians have the same issues, including typically logging both PIC and dual when doing required time-building in an airplane they're rated in. Airline apps doesn't count any dual time as PIC, so you'll end up with more PIC in your logbook than airline apps shows.

e6bpilot

Echo the above. Any time you signed for the plane is PIC. Any time you logged time but didn't sign is SIC. The way you describe your T-6 time doing proficiency flights, I would log it as dual or not at all depending on how conservative you want to be. In the end, as long as you have a logical and legal explanation for everything, you should be golden.
I prepared like mad for my logbook review in my interview only to be very underwhelmed when the guy just wanted my totals and didn't really ask any questions on how I arrived at those numbers. He threw my Navy logs back across the table and shot the bull with me for about 45 minutes. He mentioned that right now guys are so far above the mins, they just do a cursory check to ensure that nothing looks suspicious. They aren't doing any math.

Hulljas

Thanks for the insight guys. It sounds like I'm overthinking this a bit. I'm just going to put my best, justifiable, numbers on the app and see what happens.