AF Changes Oath
09-22-2014, 08:04 AM
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I'm not dismissing anything. But if you don't believe in anything (which is fine), there's no need to make a big deal out of, ie no special treatment.
All that said I firmly believe in separation of church and state, with exceptions made only for a few historical traditions and only if most folks can agree they're harmless (MOST reasonable folks, I don't care about the few rabble- rousers who will never be happy . I actually don't think the pledge of allegiance is appropriate in schools because it is not really historical, ie it doesn't go back to our roots as a nation, it came into common use in the 1950's.
All that said I firmly believe in separation of church and state, with exceptions made only for a few historical traditions and only if most folks can agree they're harmless (MOST reasonable folks, I don't care about the few rabble- rousers who will never be happy . I actually don't think the pledge of allegiance is appropriate in schools because it is not really historical, ie it doesn't go back to our roots as a nation, it came into common use in the 1950's.
09-22-2014, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I'm not dismissing anything. But if you don't believe in anything (which is fine), there's no need to make a big deal out of, ie no special treatment.
All that said I firmly believe in separation of church and state, with exceptions made only for a few historical traditions and only if most folks can agree they're harmless (MOST reasonable folks, I don't care about the few rabble- rousers who will never be happy . I actually don't think the pledge of allegiance is appropriate in schools because it is not really historical, ie it doesn't go back to our roots as a nation, it came into common use in the 1950's.
All that said I firmly believe in separation of church and state, with exceptions made only for a few historical traditions and only if most folks can agree they're harmless (MOST reasonable folks, I don't care about the few rabble- rousers who will never be happy . I actually don't think the pledge of allegiance is appropriate in schools because it is not really historical, ie it doesn't go back to our roots as a nation, it came into common use in the 1950's.
09-23-2014, 04:42 AM
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If they are harmless, removing them should not be an issue for you either. Would you be ok with it ending "Praise be to Allah"?
Who gets to choose what is and what should not be considered historical?
Who gets to choose what is and what should not be considered historical?
Originally Posted by rickair7777
I'm not dismissing anything. But if you don't believe in anything (which is fine), there's no need to make a big deal out of, ie no special treatment.
All that said I firmly believe in separation of church and state, with exceptions made only for a few historical traditions and only if most folks can agree they're harmless (MOST reasonable folks, I don't care about the few rabble- rousers who will never be happy . I actually don't think the pledge of allegiance is appropriate in schools because it is not really historical, ie it doesn't go back to our roots as a nation, it came into common use in the 1950's.
All that said I firmly believe in separation of church and state, with exceptions made only for a few historical traditions and only if most folks can agree they're harmless (MOST reasonable folks, I don't care about the few rabble- rousers who will never be happy . I actually don't think the pledge of allegiance is appropriate in schools because it is not really historical, ie it doesn't go back to our roots as a nation, it came into common use in the 1950's.
09-23-2014, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Junglejett
If they are harmless, removing them should not be an issue for you either. Would you be ok with it ending "Praise be to Allah"?
Who gets to choose what is and what should not be considered historical?
Who gets to choose what is and what should not be considered historical?
Allah is fine, Islam is a sincere religion...unlike pastafarianism. What irks me about all this is people who have no religion using public policy mechanisms to belittle or destroy other people's religions. Leave it be, go find something else to do, it's not your problem.
09-23-2014, 08:08 AM
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Muskets and owning another human being existed during our formative years, yet we have seem to have let those go.
What irks me is people using tradition to push their personal religious beliefs on others who may, out of their innate freedom, choose not to subscribe to them. If you want or need a pulpit, find one elsewhere.
I have found, nearly without exception, people of faith to be very judgmental...when only God can judge.
Move on...
What irks me is people using tradition to push their personal religious beliefs on others who may, out of their innate freedom, choose not to subscribe to them. If you want or need a pulpit, find one elsewhere.
I have found, nearly without exception, people of faith to be very judgmental...when only God can judge.
Move on...
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Existed during the revolutionary war and the formative years of the nation, ie prior to 1800.
Allah is fine, Islam is a sincere religion...unlike pastafarianism. What irks me about all this is people who have no religion using public policy mechanisms to belittle or destroy other people's religions. Leave it be, go find something else to do, it's not your problem.
Allah is fine, Islam is a sincere religion...unlike pastafarianism. What irks me about all this is people who have no religion using public policy mechanisms to belittle or destroy other people's religions. Leave it be, go find something else to do, it's not your problem.
09-23-2014, 08:20 AM
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While we all love to discuss the meat of religion this isn't the right forum or thread for it. Those conversations are better reserved for Hangar Talk or Private Messages.
If this thread can't discuss the topic at hand (Air Force permitting an omission of the oath if preferred, religious reasons or not) then we'll have to close the thread.
If this thread can't discuss the topic at hand (Air Force permitting an omission of the oath if preferred, religious reasons or not) then we'll have to close the thread.
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