Active Army National Guard and Getting Hired
11-24-2014, 04:38 AM
#11
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If you've got a DD214, give your prospective employer a copy of that, and drop the subject. They can't ask you if you're queer; they can't ask you if you're Polish; and they can't ask you if you're in the Guard or Reserves. It's none of their GD business. Just drop the subject. Once you're an employee, they'll know when you have military duty, because you'll give them orders. I speak from experience. Discrimination against Guard and Reserve members is rampant and VERY difficult to prove. If they hassle you, get a lawyer and make 'em bleed.
And, look around. When you go for retirement, your military retirement and benefits will be there, but management scum will have stolen everyone's airline retirement money. Believe me now, or believe me later.
And, look around. When you go for retirement, your military retirement and benefits will be there, but management scum will have stolen everyone's airline retirement money. Believe me now, or believe me later.
11-24-2014, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Spike from flyi
If you've got a DD214, give your prospective employer a copy of that, and drop the subject. They can't ask you if you're queer; they can't ask you if you're Polish; and they can't ask you if you're in the Guard or Reserves. It's none of their GD business. Just drop the subject.
But airlines rarely discriminate against guard/reserve. Other civilian employers do (including non-airline aviation), but it's understandable why...lack of knowledge of the rules and in many cases serious impact due to regular and/or lengthy absence of key personnel. That's one reason I do airlines.
11-24-2014, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Be careful. When you fill out the apps, they'll ask about military service and past employers. If you neglect to report guard/reserve service they could probably fire you based on that...and be well within their rights. I've never seen or heard of any legal provision that allows you to lie about military service if asked.
But airlines rarely discriminate against guard/reserve. Other civilian employers do (including non-airline aviation), but it's understandable why...lack of knowledge of the rules and in many cases serious impact due to regular and/or lengthy absence of key personnel. That's one reason I do airlines.
But airlines rarely discriminate against guard/reserve. Other civilian employers do (including non-airline aviation), but it's understandable why...lack of knowledge of the rules and in many cases serious impact due to regular and/or lengthy absence of key personnel. That's one reason I do airlines.
BTW, I'm with totally with ya (except for the bolded of course); that's the reason I bummed/troughed instead of working a meager-wage civilian job as an young AFRC baby.
If I ever get forced off the full-time pot, you're absolutely right, I don't see a choice but to nugget over the airline route, roll the life bones and tac mil drop as required. There's just no freggin' way I'm letting a crappy civilian employer (airline or no airline) flank me out of a govt retirement because Bob and Sally in the other cubicle are butt-hurt I take off 6-9 weekdays a month to serve.
11-24-2014, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020
So IOW, employer may scoff USERRA when my retainment is inconvenient for them due to their employee pool size. Copy. That makes me feel a lot better as a Reservist. Might as well tell me it's because of my accent and just dispense with the platitudes, while we're in the business of wiping our rear with the law.....
BTW, I'm with totally with ya (except for the bolded of course); that's the reason I bummed/troughed instead of working a meager-wage civilian job as an young AFRC baby.
If I ever get forced off the full-time pot, you're absolutely right, I don't see a choice but to nugget over the airline route, roll the life bones and tac mil drop as required. There's just no freggin' way I'm letting a crappy civilian employer (airline or no airline) flank me out of a govt retirement because Bob and Sally in the other cubicle are butt-hurt I take off 6-9 weekdays a month to serve.
BTW, I'm with totally with ya (except for the bolded of course); that's the reason I bummed/troughed instead of working a meager-wage civilian job as an young AFRC baby.
If I ever get forced off the full-time pot, you're absolutely right, I don't see a choice but to nugget over the airline route, roll the life bones and tac mil drop as required. There's just no freggin' way I'm letting a crappy civilian employer (airline or no airline) flank me out of a govt retirement because Bob and Sally in the other cubicle are butt-hurt I take off 6-9 weekdays a month to serve.
I don't take it personally when an employer doesn't comply perfectly with the rules, there are PLENTY of protections and recourses, you just have to educate yourself and employ USERRA to your maximum benefit.
If you choose to work in a job which due to it's nature is going to have compatibility challenges with military service then you need to be prepared to go to bat for yourself for USERRA protections, and also accept certain realities...like you're probably not getting promoted to VP at a private company if you drill 5 days/month plus 60 days AD/year.
12-01-2014, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DegeReguard
Hey guys.
From the advice of many across ual and delta jump seats i've been in, I've gotten off my ass to get a degree and fast so that's not the thing holding my career back. I've joined the guard for a number of reasons, service to my country, discipline, team skills, army values, tuition assistance, variety, resume augmentation, etc... I think it would be a wonderful, beneficial, experience all around.
I work at a regional airline, Trans States to be specific and our current management is very military friendly and my job is legally protected anyway so i'm fine on leave for BCT and AIT and for my monthly drills, annual training, and any potential deployments, my job at the airlines is safe...
but....
i'm under a six active by two inactive contract and if I like the guard I would like to stay in at least till I qualify for retirement, I might like to go to OCS become an officer and so on.
What happens if, for example, TSA goes belly up, or when I finish the degree and have the PIC time and its time to shoot for some legacies? New Hire airline training takes a few months and in some cases you don't retain travel benefits or CASS and sometimes don't even get weekends off, not to mention I have to drill and I have to have leave for it and there is always the potential for deployment.
Does being an active guard member hurt my employment chances at a legacy or other airline? If I get hired at go to training, can I make the commitment the airline requires and take time off from my drills to complete the airline training or will the airlines give me time off from training for drill weekends and travel? If I were to get hired and go to training and get the time off for drills during training how do I avoid missing important things in new hire class and not completing the required attendance hours the feds require?
Are companies willing to work with active guardsmen and hire them or am I going to have to chose one or the other and be stuck where im at until I am finished with the guard?
From the advice of many across ual and delta jump seats i've been in, I've gotten off my ass to get a degree and fast so that's not the thing holding my career back. I've joined the guard for a number of reasons, service to my country, discipline, team skills, army values, tuition assistance, variety, resume augmentation, etc... I think it would be a wonderful, beneficial, experience all around.
I work at a regional airline, Trans States to be specific and our current management is very military friendly and my job is legally protected anyway so i'm fine on leave for BCT and AIT and for my monthly drills, annual training, and any potential deployments, my job at the airlines is safe...
but....
i'm under a six active by two inactive contract and if I like the guard I would like to stay in at least till I qualify for retirement, I might like to go to OCS become an officer and so on.
What happens if, for example, TSA goes belly up, or when I finish the degree and have the PIC time and its time to shoot for some legacies? New Hire airline training takes a few months and in some cases you don't retain travel benefits or CASS and sometimes don't even get weekends off, not to mention I have to drill and I have to have leave for it and there is always the potential for deployment.
Does being an active guard member hurt my employment chances at a legacy or other airline? If I get hired at go to training, can I make the commitment the airline requires and take time off from my drills to complete the airline training or will the airlines give me time off from training for drill weekends and travel? If I were to get hired and go to training and get the time off for drills during training how do I avoid missing important things in new hire class and not completing the required attendance hours the feds require?
Are companies willing to work with active guardsmen and hire them or am I going to have to chose one or the other and be stuck where im at until I am finished with the guard?
Another thing to consider is health care for you and your family going forward. As I write this ObamaCare is the law of the land. If it isn't repealed or ruled unconstitutional at some point, having TriCare as an option may be financially prudent.
When I was a new-hire at Comair, I was able to SUTA at a Florida-based USAR unit. That satisfied my training requirement for that month. I was in the TXARNG at the time. My unit was flexible as was my ground school instructor who was USNR at the time. Most airlines don't have ground school classes on the weekends.
I hope this helps. BTW, I am retired ARNG.
12-04-2014, 10:05 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by Slim11
Some airlines/non-airline aviation companies do discriminate against the NG/Reserves. Most do not..
I just returned from DC and speaking with our union lobbyists.
The lobbyists for the airline corporations are working double time to erode the impact of USERRA on the airlines through sponsored legislation.
If you think they're spending tens of thousands on this, but it never occurred to them to just not hire you because you're a drilling guardsman or reservist you're deluding yourself.
12-06-2014, 07:08 AM
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I see a bunch of aviation attorneys and a class action settlement with United regarding underfunded pensions during Reserve callups...
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...Airline+USERRA
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...Airline+USERRA
