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#31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-poc38C84
Let us not forget the Herk did 21 touch and goes and 29 full stops back in 1963.
Let us not forget the Herk did 21 touch and goes and 29 full stops back in 1963.
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#34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-poc38C84
Let us not forget the Herk did 21 touch and goes and 29 full stops back in 1963.
Let us not forget the Herk did 21 touch and goes and 29 full stops back in 1963.
#35
Just to add from prior threads, Adlerdriver and I have noted how difficult it can be for a Guard baby tactical pilot to get fully proficient as a part-timer UNLESS they have a long seasoning tour and good IPs to mentor, coach and push you. Tactical aviation ain't Top Gun, the movie; it's hard work, very demanding and unforgiving. You will put in 8-10 days a month to MAINTAIN proficiency, not get it.
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#36
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Regional to Military??
Totally agree... go ANG or Reserves. A guy a few classes behind me in UPT gave up 6 years seniority at AA to fly A-10s but that's a big risk. Also had a KC135 student pilot from Amer Eagle out of SJU go KC135 guard for the pay raise. Wash out as an active duty guy and you owe three to four years in a non-flying job. You also have to not only make it past UPT but Intro to Fighter Fundamentals (IFF) as well. Flunk out of IFF and you're boned either AD or Guard. You're either headed to the B-52 or your Guard unit may not take you.
Pulling Gs is fun but realize there is a metric ass ton of fighter-centric academics and a ton of prep to log a 2.5 hr sortie plus a painful debrief. As for me, I wasn't interested in fighters though I did like formation. As noted before C-17s and C-130s do cool stuff like low levels and formation. If you go AD realize if you get an RPA those hours are worthless outside RPAs. Joining a guard unit near an airline hub = lots of internal recs (MEM C-17 and FEDEX, PHX KC-135 and SWA). YMMV.
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Pulling Gs is fun but realize there is a metric ass ton of fighter-centric academics and a ton of prep to log a 2.5 hr sortie plus a painful debrief. As for me, I wasn't interested in fighters though I did like formation. As noted before C-17s and C-130s do cool stuff like low levels and formation. If you go AD realize if you get an RPA those hours are worthless outside RPAs. Joining a guard unit near an airline hub = lots of internal recs (MEM C-17 and FEDEX, PHX KC-135 and SWA). YMMV.
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#37
It's probably me - but just in case it's not - you may want to re-attack on some of the points you're trying to make. I can't really follow what you're trying to tell this guy (other than you're recommending ANG or Reserves). After that, I get lost.
Explain this scenario (i.e. how does flying A-10s equate to losing seniority at a major airline - what should he have done?) and what's the risk?
You're trying to emphasize he got a pay raise by leaving Eagle for the Guard?
Point here is......what? Yes, washing out of training is bad - is this a don't go to fighters point or just that washing out if you're ANG is less bad than AD?
Yes, flying fighters is a lot of work (and 2.5 hrs is way too long - try 1.5 or less ). Worthwhile endeavors usually are. Maybe the OP isn't looking to take the easy road and that challenge is exactly what he wants. Probably more effective to tell the guy what you liked about the tanker and why that's a good way to go rather than what you didn't like about something you never did.
Generally speaking, joining a guard unit anywhere is going to = lots of internal recs - definitely doesn't have to be near an airline hub. There's not an ANG unit (flying manned aircraft) in the country that doesn't have a bunch of airline pilots working as traditional guardsmen.
Wash out as an active duty guy and you owe three to four years in a non-flying job. You also have to not only make it past UPT but Intro to Fighter Fundamentals (IFF) as well. Flunk out of IFF and you're boned either AD or Guard. You're either headed to the B-52 or your Guard unit may not take you.
Generally speaking, joining a guard unit anywhere is going to = lots of internal recs - definitely doesn't have to be near an airline hub. There's not an ANG unit (flying manned aircraft) in the country that doesn't have a bunch of airline pilots working as traditional guardsmen.
#38
mmmmmmm... high Gs are the best. Obviously not everyone finds them "unpleasant".
Seriously, though - getting a backseat ride in a fighter if someone had never pulled serious Gs is probably not the best way to decide if that's your thing. Working through T-6 and T-38 training will acclimate a newbie and the experience will be much easier to deal with after getting some "G exposure".
Seriously, though - getting a backseat ride in a fighter if someone had never pulled serious Gs is probably not the best way to decide if that's your thing. Working through T-6 and T-38 training will acclimate a newbie and the experience will be much easier to deal with after getting some "G exposure".
Point 2: Agree, going from nothing to a 9G jet in one fell swoop is not fun for the majority of people on the planet. There are a few who like it, but overall a fighter is a scary experience for somebody new to the game.
1. Reporter and the T-birds were in town
2. Mega star that could generate positive publicity for the wing
3. Politician that could make things better for the base
4. Quarterly/Annual award winner
There was no way some new guy off the street was going to get a 'test ride' to see if he liked it.
#39
I flew at Trans States with him. He's Blue Angel #7 and he's a super sharp guy. He was very well liked by everybody and while it's an odd transition to make, he's proof positive that if you're a strong candidate, it can be done.
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ANG and AFRes both hire off the street AFRC has just started sending people to UPT "unsponsored" so you apply to AFRC and they send you to OTS and UPT and they find you the unit by track select so now is a good time.
ANG and AFRes both hire off the street AFRC has just started sending people to UPT "unsponsored" so you apply to AFRC and they send you to OTS and UPT and they find you the unit by track select so now is a good time.
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