Military Helo hours
#11
I specifically asked Delta and United how they view RW hours when I was at WAI in March. They each said that it counts towards total time but, of course, you still need to meet their FW mins. I told them that my app on airlineapps doesn't show my RW hours in the "total hours" section when I compare my app and they reassured me that they can see it. JetBlue counts both RW and FW hours the same, but they do require a min amount of FW hours as well. SWA counts RW the same as UAS time, which doesn't make any sense to me but I'm not gonna worry about it. That tells me they value a 2 hour flight to grab a cheeseburger in a Cessna 152 more than a 2 hour flight at night, off a boat, carrying ordnance in a helo.
All that said, put your app in now. Go do interview prep (I recommend Emerald Coast), and go to OBAP in August followed by WAI in March. I did a full court press and it worked for me.
All that said, put your app in now. Go do interview prep (I recommend Emerald Coast), and go to OBAP in August followed by WAI in March. I did a full court press and it worked for me.
#12
Did get hired by a Regional with the majority being RW time. Not all regionals looked at it the same though. The others talking about the majors are much more knowledgeable than I.
Take a look at the airline apps website "Compare my App" section. There are some mins posted there and it should tell you if you hit the "mins".
Take a look at the airline apps website "Compare my App" section. There are some mins posted there and it should tell you if you hit the "mins".
#13
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Will do, thanks for the input.
Did get hired by a Regional with the majority being RW time. Not all regionals looked at it the same though. The others talking about the majors are much more knowledgeable than I.
Take a look at the airline apps website "Compare my App" section. There are some mins posted there and it should tell you if you hit the "mins".
Take a look at the airline apps website "Compare my App" section. There are some mins posted there and it should tell you if you hit the "mins".
#14
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That is crazy talk. If you have time, put your application in, you have no idea who will bite. I'm a helo guard guy that got a call (and hired by UAL). I never thought it would happen but it did, I just jumped in and muddied the pristine waters dominated by the AF and Navy.
What hours did you have when you were called by UAL? I have 1200+ helo and 600+ FW and will be getting out in a year so I'm trying to build my ME FW hours til I have to get out of the Navy. Considering Regionals to build FW hours but I meet Jetblue mins right now. Thoughts?
#16
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
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Privateer,
What hours did you have when you were called by UAL? I have 1200+ helo and 600+ FW and will be getting out in a year so I'm trying to build my ME FW hours til I have to get out of the Navy. Considering Regionals to build FW hours but I meet Jetblue mins right now. Thoughts?
What hours did you have when you were called by UAL? I have 1200+ helo and 600+ FW and will be getting out in a year so I'm trying to build my ME FW hours til I have to get out of the Navy. Considering Regionals to build FW hours but I meet Jetblue mins right now. Thoughts?
If you can go to Vets in Blue that seems to help a lot with JB. A regional wouldn't be bad for you to add fw jet time and check the 121 box on the app. But you need fw turbine time (500 for JB, 1000 for UAL/DAL).
#17
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
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I was at 1900 tt, 1260 army helo and 500 fw (80 glider, 400 sel, and 37 multi) when I started at Mesa. Now at 2400 total, 1260helo/1100fw (of which 600 is CRJ). No love from any major, including JB/allegiant. UAL/DAL require 1000 fw turbine for mins for reference and you won't make it thru the computer system without it. I haven't been to any job fairs but will start.
If you can go to Vets in Blue that seems to help a lot with JB. A regional wouldn't be bad for you to add fw jet time and check the 121 box on the app. But you need fw turbine time (500 for JB, 1000 for UAL/DAL).
If you can go to Vets in Blue that seems to help a lot with JB. A regional wouldn't be bad for you to add fw jet time and check the 121 box on the app. But you need fw turbine time (500 for JB, 1000 for UAL/DAL).
#18
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I know a p3 pilot with around 2k hrs in that, lots of PIC time, at Skywest, and a c130 guy at Mesa with about 1700 c130 hrs (lots of PIC), and a 1700 hour f15 guy (all pic) who is about to go to the regionals because he isn't getting any calls. Certainly try for the majors/LCCs, but it will take a lot of luck and networking. I would have a regional plan as a backup, or a guard/reserve fw plan to continue to build. Perhaps an IP gig would be even better.
#19
I know a p3 pilot with around 2k hrs in that, lots of PIC time, at Skywest, and a c130 guy at Mesa with about 1700 c130 hrs (lots of PIC), and a 1700 hour f15 guy (all pic) who is about to go to the regionals because he isn't getting any calls. Certainly try for the majors/LCCs, but it will take a lot of luck and networking. I would have a regional plan as a backup, or a guard/reserve fw plan to continue to build. Perhaps an IP gig would be even better.
I had all my apps in approaching retirement, nobody called so I went regionals. Hopefully it'll be a short stay - time will tell!
#20
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I'm in the same boat. Just under half my military hours are Helo, and as stated above, only a couple of companies (JB, Frontier) count them 1-for-1. I met with the guy from United at OBAP who actually does the #'s/filters for app screening...and the way it racks and stacks, helicopter time doesn't count to get you looked at. Keep in mind that once you get past the initial filter with all your FW time and other positive attributes they're screening your app for--then, your Helo time will be a feather in your cap...BUT, till then....it is of no help with the unthinking computer filter that is set up to discount (or give very little weight to) non FW time. So, I'm doing the 121 thing with the regionals and all the recruiters that I've talked to have confirmed that they would greatly value the 121 time added to my mil experience.
I had all my apps in approaching retirement, nobody called so I went regionals. Hopefully it'll be a short stay - time will tell!
I had all my apps in approaching retirement, nobody called so I went regionals. Hopefully it'll be a short stay - time will tell!
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